Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

**jellywrestler** · 5th July 2010, 08:36

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

If you look at the statistics and compare the percentage of deaths to rider participation its gotta be prob the highest percentages in all sports.

have you looked at the statistics???? there are 600 competitors racing and praticing for ten days, take those stats and you'll find there are other more dangerous race tracks and indeed sports.
Look at Ed Hillary, while alive he was our most respected Kiwi, and still held in high esteem after he died.
He climbed Mt Everest. For a long long time one in four people who climbed Everest died while doing so.
As for prize money the T.T. took the edge off that incentive many moons ago and reallocated the money to start money etc with only the top few getting more for placings and it's not the place you can go out and make a buck for the sake of making a buck as it were
Long may the ISLE OF MAN TT continue, it's the riders choice

**Quasievil** · 5th July 2010, 09:09

I cant believe that "most of you" seem to think its okay for a percentage to Die every year on the basis its what they choose to do.

So if we loose 4 odd riders a year in Wanganui or Paeora by your rational its ok, as its what they chose to do, FFS IOM is a dangerous track that is killing riders with no brains outside there own personal selfish agenda on bikes that are clearly to fast for the road/race track available.

**Ronin** · 5th July 2010, 09:17

Originally Posted by Quasievil

I cant believe that "most of you" seem to think its okay for a percentage to Die every year on the basis its what they choose to do.

So if we loose 4 odd riders a year in Wanganui or Paeora by your rational its ok, as its what they chose to do, FFS IOM is a dangerous track that is killing riders with no brains outside there own personal selfish agenda on bikes that are clearly to fast for the road/race track available.

[katman mode] So using that rational we ban bikes from the road as well as there is little or no difference in attitudes there[/katman]

**CookMySock** · 5th July 2010, 09:22

Tracks aren't designed for racing safely - they're designed for crashing safely, and that one is not.

I won't say what others should or should not be doing, but I wouldn't be doing it.

Steve

**dipshit** · 5th July 2010, 09:28

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Out of curiosity do you and quasi believe the TT should be banned or are you playing devils advocate??

Yes and no.

I do admire the TT and love watching it on TV. I think the racing there is more relevant to me as a street rider as they are more production based bikes and are real roads with bumps and all, and one mistake can be fatal. It is more like road riding than sterile, smooth tracks.

But in the bigger picture, you do need to ask if it is worth it.

A friend of mine and someone I used to race with when I was club racing went over there and was killed. http://www.iomtt.com/TT-Database/com...x?ride_id=4373

This is the section of road it happened on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe7F6cOkQJU

His girlfriend and many of us in the Dunedin club didn't think it was worth it afterwards.

So I can fully understand if it does get assigned to the pages of history.

**Quasievil** · 5th July 2010, 09:35

Yes I actually think its an event that should be sent to the archives, its done its thing and Im hoping I DONT know the guys who will die in 11 months time.

**racer40** · 5th July 2010, 09:58

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Yes I actually think its an event that should be sent to the archives, its done its thing and Im hoping I DONT know the guys who will die in 11 months time.

I have raced at the IOM TT 5 times, & for a rider it is the ultimate race meeting, I know the risks involved, & in fact had a bad crash there in 2003. I have a bike being built up for next years TT & hope to be there, not for the money, as it costs way more to compete than you can make unless you win. I go for the excitment of what is the history, the fantastic track, & the whole TT experience, long live the TT, Chris

**jellywrestler** · 5th July 2010, 10:43

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Yes I actually think its an event that should be sent to the archives, its done its thing and Im hoping I DONT know the guys who will die in 11 months time.

you're just showing your ingnorance here, it's not 11 months till there's more racing on the 37 3/4 mile course, just a couple, as the Manx GP is held so any scary statistics people have includes a separate race meeting too, run for nearly as long as the Isle of Man TT

**Quasievil** · 5th July 2010, 10:51

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

you're just showing your ingnorance here, it's not 11 months till there's more racing on the 37 3/4 mile course, just a couple, as the Manx GP is held so any scary statistics people have includes a separate race meeting too, run for nearly as long as the Isle of Man TT

Im sorry, If it wasnt for you I would be doomed to continued ignorance.......long live the jelly!!

**Quasievil** · 5th July 2010, 11:05

This isnt to reinforce my argument but thought this might be of interest to some, rather I was finding out about the Manx GP

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/misc/allIOM.php?db=ct

**wharfy** · 5th July 2010, 11:17

Originally Posted by dipshit

I found this here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_TT

"From 1989 the racing has been developed by the Isle of Man Department of Tourism as the Isle of Man TT Festival."

I'm not saying they don't milk it for all its worth - just that the TT is not the only thing they do, and it is far from a "muddy backwater "

**steveyb** · 5th July 2010, 12:15

Originally Posted by Quasievil

This isnt to reinforce my argument but thought this might be of interest to some, rather I was finding out about the Manx GP

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/misc/allIOM.php?db=ct

Fuck me!!
That makes for very sobering reading.
I know that speaking with Sammy Fitz and Hayden Fitz's friends John and Mary all from the IOM, they have quite a fatalistic view of it all.
Not my idea of cookies and cream.

**Dreama** · 5th July 2010, 13:06

Jeez ... 6-7 deaths / meeting was/is not uncommon. That's just plain nuts.
And what about the ones that don't die .. just ... and spend the rest of their years maimed, brain damaged or whatever ........ it's likely there are many more cases like that than those that die.

That kinda changes the scenario somewhat does it not .... I mean, it was the riders choice to race the place and all, but then who shoulders the burden from then on .... the parents, kids, loved ones, friends and, dare I say it, the tax payer.

In a perverse way it's refreshing that there are places in the world that still encourage freedom of spirit in this manner in an organised event .... but how do they sleep at night when so many competitors are maimed and killed.