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    Advice wanted: Kawasaki ZR250 cutting out

    Hey there guys, yesterday I went for my first long (1hr+) ride on my recently acquired Kawasaki ZR250. The trip was Hamilton to Auckland and after checking oil (was a little low but nothing drastic) and water I set out. I was doing 100 - 110 on the way up with no troubles, bike was going well, when all of a sudden I noticed that it was responding slowly and erratically when I gave it gas for overtaking etc, about 30 seconds later it stopped responding at all and the revs died off, I managed to get across the lanes and onto the verge before it died completely (while I was still rolling, and in gear). This was about 5 KM south of the Greenlane east exit, so was after about 1 hour 30 mins of riding.

    My first thought was that it had overheated, but the light (no temp gauge, just light to signal overheating) was not on. I had a looksee at the oil (glass window thing, not a dipstick), and while it wasn't high, there was some there. Checked the reservoir water tank, still full. I let it sit for awhile, then tried to start it again, it spluttered a bit but wouldn't catch, so after another 10 minutes I tried again, this time it started alright, had to use a bit of choke to keep it going but after 30 seconds of that she was idling fine. I jumped onto a nearby offramp to find a gas station, pulled in and topped up the oil. Let her idle for awhile, nothing seemed to be wrong so I completed my journey (was headed to a friends house for a visit).

    The next morning I get up to head home, about 10 KM's north of Pokeno the same thing happens, bike stops responding to throttle and revs die, before cutting out altogether. So I pulled over, checked spark plugs, oil and water again. She doesn't seem too hot, and after 15 minutes she started again. I thought that maybe I was flooding it somehow, but geenrally after flooding don't you get a big could of nasty smelling smoke coming out of the exhaust? I had nothing like that happen.

    After I got her started again I headed down to the nearest petrol station and let her sit for a half hour while I got a coffee, jumped back on and she was running fine. I took it easy sticking to around 90 and didnt have any trouble, but when I got past huntly I decided to open it up a bit and see if she died again, sure enough after about 5 mins of 100 - 120 she started to play up again, as soon as I felt it I chucked her down into fourth to see what would happen if I kept the revs high while decelerating. Ended up cruising at 60 in 3rd and while she still didn't want to accelerate much she wasn't stalling.

    I pulled over and let her sit for awhile, then jumped back on and headed back into Hamilton, didn't have any trouble until I was 200m from my house, then she started to do it again, managed to get into my driveway before she died though.

    This problem has left me very bloody confused, I am rather new to motorcycles, have very basic mechanical knowledge, and would really appreciate it if anyone could give me a clue as to what is going on with my bike. It's an intermittent fault so is going to be hard to reproduce in a workshop unless they go for an hours ride to make it happen which may make diagnosing it rather difficult.

    Bike is a 1991 Kawasaki Balius (ZR250) which has an inline 4 very similar to the ZXR250's of the same era.

    Cheers,
    Vin

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    Advice wanted: Kawasaki ZR250 cutting out

    I posted this over in the General Maintenance forum as well, but thought I'd put it here also as I'd assume more people who own 250s frequent this forum.

    Yesterday I went for my first long (1hr+) ride on my recently acquired Kawasaki ZR250. The trip was Hamilton to Auckland and after checking oil (was a little low but nothing drastic) and water I set out. I was doing 100 - 110 on the way up with no troubles, bike was going well, when all of a sudden I noticed that it was responding slowly and erratically when I gave it gas for overtaking etc, about 30 seconds later it stopped responding at all and the revs died off, I managed to get across the lanes and onto the verge before it died completely (while I was still rolling, and in gear). This was about 5 KM south of the Greenlane east exit, so was after about 1 hour 30 mins of riding.

    My first thought was that it had overheated, but the light (no temp gauge, just light to signal overheating) was not on. I had a looksee at the oil (glass window thing, not a dipstick), and while it wasn't high, there was some there. Checked the reservoir water tank, still full. I let it sit for awhile, then tried to start it again, it spluttered a bit but wouldn't catch, so after another 10 minutes I tried again, this time it started alright, had to use a bit of choke to keep it going but after 30 seconds of that she was idling fine. I jumped onto a nearby offramp to find a gas station, pulled in and topped up the oil. Let her idle for awhile, nothing seemed to be wrong so I completed my journey (was headed to a friends house for a visit).

    The next morning I get up to head home, about 10 KM's north of Pokeno the same thing happens, bike stops responding to throttle and revs die, before cutting out altogether. So I pulled over, checked spark plugs, oil and water again. She doesn't seem too hot, and after 15 minutes she started again. I thought that maybe I was flooding it somehow, but geenrally after flooding don't you get a big could of nasty smelling smoke coming out of the exhaust? I had nothing like that happen.

    After I got her started again I headed down to the nearest petrol station and let her sit for a half hour while I got a coffee, jumped back on and she was running fine. I took it easy sticking to around 90 and didnt have any trouble, but when I got past huntly I decided to open it up a bit and see if she died again, sure enough after about 5 mins of 100 - 120 she started to play up again, as soon as I felt it I chucked her down into fourth to see what would happen if I kept the revs high while decelerating. Ended up cruising at 60 in 3rd and while she still didn't want to accelerate much she wasn't stalling.

    I pulled over and let her sit for awhile, then jumped back on and headed back into Hamilton, didn't have any trouble until I was 200m from my house, then she started to do it again, managed to get into my driveway before she died though.

    This problem has left me very bloody confused, I am rather new to motorcycles, have very basic mechanical knowledge, and would really appreciate it if anyone could give me a clue as to what is going on with my bike. It's an intermittent fault so is going to be hard to reproduce in a workshop unless they go for an hours ride to make it happen which may make diagnosing it rather difficult.

    Bike is a 1991 Kawasaki Balius (ZR250) which has an inline 4 very similar to the ZXR250's of the same era.

    Cheers,
    Vin

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    My first thought is some part of your electrics is overheating after a certain amount of time at load.

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    Could be fuel starvation. I had a bike a few years back that had very similar symptons to yours, turned out to be related to the petcock assembly. I took it to bits, cleaned it out, reassembled and never had the issue again.

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    Check the fuel tank breather isn't blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Check the fuel tank breather isn't blocked.
    Yep, my suggestion too.

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    Yeah...it's quite common for them to be blocked...or that the hose is squished/bent sharply hence not allowing any air into the fuel tank! Quick way to tell...when the bike stops...open the tank, and if it's blocked...you'll hear air rush into the tank when you pop the top!

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    as above . If that dosnt work i would be looking at your float level. High rpm it craps out??

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    Just had a looksee for any bent hoses but couldn't find anything. Will have a poke around this weekend and see what I can find in the way of blockages. Yeah it seems to be mostly when accelerating past 8-9k in 6th gear, doing 100 - 120, so engine's under a bit of load.

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    That's when it's using the most fuel...so I'd say for sure you've got a fuel supply issue

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    If you've got a bit of time to muck about with it, wind it up until it stops then shut it off quick and remove the drain screw from one of the carbs. If almost nothing comes out that might answer the lack of fuel question. Not pretty but probably the easiest way to find out.

    To check for a blocked breather, just find a nice straight bit of road, wind it up and see if it stops. Once it's going again crack the fuel cap a bit and repeat, if it doesn't stop that's the problem. Probably better with not much in the tank unless you want a petrol bath though.
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    Hi Vin,

    It sounds like you've got a fuel problem there (nothing to do with the oil by the way). The next time you've got a problem like that, pull over and open the fuel cap, if you hear a pop or hissing sound it may indicate the cap needs a clean. In any case, opening the cap and then closing it again may fix up your problems.

    I'm no mechanic but if you'd like you can come round to my place in South Auckland on Saturday or Sunday during the day and we can do some basic maintenance like oil filter, oil, carburettor clean and inspection, radiator flush,spark-plug clean and anything else we can diagnose.

    Let me know if you'd be keen for that.

    Cheers
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    I'd be checking for water in the fuel.

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    Yeah it must be something to do with the fuelling. If not that possibly to do with the ignition, it may be shorting out somehow. Was it raining at all?

    Install a fuel filter for starters between the fuel tank and the carbs and make sure that your fuel tank isn't rusty inside.
    Is the fuel old at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinz0r View Post
    I pulled over and let her sit for awhile, then jumped back on and headed back into Hamilton, didn't have any trouble until I was 200m from my house, then she started to do it again, managed to get into my driveway before she died though.


    Cheers,
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    Maybe a dumb ques. but any chance you are running out of fuel? Did u try switching to reserve?

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