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    Racetech Gold valve shock conversion?

    Hey all

    Has anyone done this conversion? I have a gsxr600 k7 in stock form and am looking at buying this kit for track use (superstock). I've stripped my rear shock for a perv and can see that the gold valve piston is really... REALLY open compaired to the std one. It looks like its also the go to get the Race Tech Shock Rebound Separator Valve. So cool! just wanted to know if anyone has tried this stuff or is there any other branded easy conversions like this out there thats been tried with good results? I also thought about machining out my std piston, they look pretty simple in design, so i guess if i do it on a cnc mill i can get it pretty accurate, but how much to take out, is it a case of more the merrier, because as i said the gold valve piston is very open.

    maybe its just easier to buy a kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bren_chch View Post
    Hey all

    Has anyone done this conversion? I have a gsxr600 k7 in stock form and am looking at buying this kit for track use (superstock). I've stripped my rear shock for a perv and can see that the gold valve piston is really... REALLY open compaired to the std one. It looks like its also the go to get the Race Tech Shock Rebound Separator Valve. So cool! just wanted to know if anyone has tried this stuff or is there any other branded easy conversions like this out there thats been tried with good results? I also thought about machining out my std piston, they look pretty simple in design, so i guess if i do it on a cnc mill i can get it pretty accurate, but how much to take out, is it a case of more the merrier, because as i said the gold valve piston is very open.

    maybe its just easier to buy a kit?

    Cheers
    I'm not sure I would be doing anything before the regs are confirmed for the Superstock class bro!

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    Well either open or not for rear shock... this is very many much cheaper for me than going for a complete aftermarket shock, so my questions still stands.

    thanks for the concern though, very nice!

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    Haha, just goes to show what some folks will be doing even if the rules say "OEM shocks only!" You'd never know by lookin' at it externally.

    (Not having a go at you Bren, just a good example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bren_chch View Post
    Well either open or not for rear shock... this is very many much cheaper for me than going for a complete aftermarket shock, so my questions still stand.

    thanks for the concern though, very nice!
    Biggles is right, dont do anything until the new regs are set in stone.

    As for being cheaper maybe initially but have you factored in respringing, have you factored in that you will need a spring rate specific for Teretonga and then perhaps another spring rate for Hampton Downs if you go to that circuit? Have you also factored in that oem shocks need servicing a lot more often as the oil and performance goes off a lot faster. There is no internal top out spring for more stability under brakes, the shock is too short and requires spacers under the top mount etc etc.
    At the moment very convenient spring exchanges apply for the most predominant aftermarket shocks out there, this will not apply for modified oem shocks as the springs are all different and even aftermarket springs most often require sizing adaptors ( more cost ) I dont see anyone stepping up and replicating in oem springs the 30 odd k of rotational springs that I currently carry for TTX and cartridges. Leading aftermarket shocks also have great residual value, even further enhanced by the ability to respec to suit a different bike given their modular construction.

    Indeed a Race Tech piston kit and flow rebound seperator does improve a oem shock markedly, aftermarket shocks already have had these flow seperators for many years and Race Tech say they invented it!!! We fit lots of these and did two sets today but it doesnt stop there, there is lots of other stuff that can be done internally and we will be doing that if that crazy rule proposal goes through.

    We have all 5 600cc class shocks apart at present plus an aftermarket Showa racing shock for a CBR600 that you can oreder through a Honda dealer. The message there being that they deem it neccessary to have a proper racing shock if you want to go racing, with all the convenience features.

    Add to that it will take a season or two to get on top of settings that work at all circuits and dont believe the BS rhetoric coming from other quarters. There will be issues, there will be lots of initial tyre expenditure and there will be more crashing. That equates to more frustration and more cost.

    I have thought about this long and hard with an open mind but keep coming back to the same conclusion, high quality aftermarket shocks are sold worldwide in large quantities because the stock shocks are just not up to the job, even in highly modified form there will be horrible compromises. That is not a commercial statement, a lot of people have come to the same conclusion.

    At present we can revalve a TTX in as little as 10 minutes, stock shocks 30 to 45 minutes. That makes life not so easy for the suspension guys or anybody else

    Its not the ''low cost'' bed of roses that many think as the negative by-products are there in abundance.

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    I nearly shed a tear for you Robert

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    "Haha, just goes to show what some folks will be doing even if the rules say "OEM shocks only!" You'd never know by lookin' at it externally.

    (Not having a go at you Bren, just a good example) "

    BAD example.... internals for the SHOCK are... erm... will be open.

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    Great info thanks. I see what you are saying. We love the Flash aftermarket shocks, but I am after a kit for when we can’t run the flash shocks as that’s what is going to happen. AU rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post

    As for being cheaper maybe initially but have you factored in respringing, have you factored in that you will need a spring rate specific for Teretonga and then perhaps another spring rate for Hampton Downs if you go to that circuit?
    Yeah so I was thinking about building two shocks, 1 calculated for teretonga and one for the others. It still works out half the price of a aftermarket shock using the gold valve kits from the states. I have also had a 10.5 spring made that fits the std shock. Which was quite cheap so I guess I could make another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Have you also factored in that oem shocks need servicing a lot more often as the oil and performance goes off a lot faster. There is no internal top out spring for more stability under brakes.
    As I said I am looking for other ideas not aftermarket so this is ermmm no applicable to me right now. If they allow aftermarket shocks then GREAT I got one sitting here now I could use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    the shock is too short and requires spacers under the top mount etc etc.
    apparently so… I splashed out $5 for some spacers that range from 2mm up to 8mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Indeed a Race Tech piston kit and flow rebound seperator does improve a oem shock markedly, aftermarket shocks already have had these flow seperators for many years and Race Tech say they invented it!!! We fit lots of these and did two sets today but it doesnt stop there, there is lots of other stuff that can be done internally and we will be doing that if that crazy rule proposal goes through.
    It’s a shit rule, I am being prepared.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    I have thought about this long and hard with an open mind but keep coming back to the same conclusion, high quality aftermarket shocks are sold worldwide in large quantities because the stock shocks are just not up to the job, even in highly modified form there will be horrible compromises. That is not a commercial statement, a lot of people have come to the same conclusion.
    Its true… its true!

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    doh - just had to edit my post above, i stuck OEM instead of flash aftermarket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paigeo View Post
    I nearly shed a tear for you Robert
    The silly thing is we will probably make more income out of this if it goes through. But its going to be pretty miserable for a lot of people when they realise;

    1) They just cant access a foc exchange spring anymore, especially when they might really need it because they are burning up expensive tyres

    2) They cant just roll into pitlane in the middle of a brief practice session and have the spring preload changed within ten seconds and then out again to check the result before the session finishes

    3) They cant adjust the ride height anymore within 2 minutes, especially so with the CBR600

    4) They cant get a revalve done inside 15 mins anymore

    People will be buying spare oem shocks to keep themselves ''covered'' Where is the flipping saving in that?

    Etc etc
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    Dont shed a tear for me, shed a tear for the end users, they are going to be the most frustrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bren_chch View Post
    doh - just had to edit my post above, i stuck OEM instead of flash aftermarket!
    Yeah I figure that, no danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bren_chch View Post
    Has anyone done this conversion? I have a gsxr600 k7 in stock form and am looking at buying this kit for track use (superstock). I've stripped my rear shock for a perv and can see that the gold valve piston is really... REALLY open compaired to the std one. It looks like its also the go to get the Race Tech Shock Rebound Separator Valve. So cool! just wanted to know if anyone has tried this stuff or is there any other branded easy conversions like this out there thats been tried with good results? I also thought about machining out my std piston, they look pretty simple in design, so i guess if i do it on a cnc mill i can get it pretty accurate, but how much to take out, is it a case of more the merrier, because as i said the gold valve piston is very open.
    Why use a CNC? My mate just used a hand file, cordless drill and vice grips (and a pipe wrench if it is difficult to hold some bits) and he said it makes a massive improvement. PM me and I will give you the instructions.

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    Actually u can pick OEM shock up for very little on ebay from the US. as in 45 with 35us delivery, but i get what ya saying, in an ideal world we just bang in a top notch product that can be easily modified. i can save money by doing this work myself but it will be hard for the user who has to pay whoever to do everything. so yes you will end up with more work if this ruling does go thru. YAY for stupid rules! actually its as stupid as running the OEM chain pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k14 View Post
    Why use a CNC? My mate just used a hand file, cordless drill and vice grips (and a pipe wrench if it is difficult to hold some bits) and he said it makes a massive improvement. PM me and I will give you the instructions.
    round or square file?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yow Ling View Post
    round or square file?
    I don't think it matters, whatever you can find. Even some 60 grit sandpaper would suffice, finish with 120 grade.

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