Fatal Pursuit

[imdying]

Need a had to find the fucker and sort him out?

He has been sorted mate. He'll still do it again, so not to my ultimate satisfaction but that's the way it is. The policeman was awesome though, chased some random on our say so, and had him and a confession in 2 minutes flat.

[scumdog]

I'm bored, I need entertainment..

Why don't you go and Taser some fat child, You Pigs seem to be good at doing that ! ! !

Crazy Steve.[/QUOTE]

Hey, you're fat, you'll do!

[motorbyclist]

In my view instant and mandatory roadside loss of licence and or vehicle without the benefit of a trial are not powers that should be vested in the Police. .

+1

the kicker is that if you ARE innocent you will generally live out the term of your 1-3 month punishment before your defence will clear your name - all at high cost with no promise you'll ever recover it.

my brother just got stung by that - 15 months after a 28 day suspension a kind lady turned up at his driveway to take his licence for another three months; apparently they charged him with dangerous driving 15 months after the event without ever notifying him of the court date (ie serving notice) but knew where to go to collect the licence! As it stands it was cheaper and faster to get a work licence than go without a licence for three months going for "irregularity in proceedings" and then actually defend the charge. With a kid about 6 weeks away he can't risk thousands trying to clear his name, as in the likely event of success (on the irregularity in proceedings) he'd have his licence back anyway and be thousands poorer for it.

It's a true failing of a western "innocent until proven guilty" justice system when the innocent end up worse off than the guilty after having to defend a charge after/during the punishment isn't it?

[idb]

..............................some of those "officers" are a bunch of cowboys out on the road, which is a shame as many of them are perfectly reasonable and carry out their job in a professional manner

No...they're all pricks!!!

[idb]

...... Hit em swiftly and hit em hard.

Yeah, shock and awe on the roadside!!!

[PirateJafa]

+1

the kicker is that if you ARE innocent you will generally live out the term of your 1-3 month punishment before your defence will clear your name - all at high cost with no promise you'll ever recover it.

my brother just got stung by that - 15 months after a 28 day suspension a kind lady turned up at his driveway to take his licence for another three months; apparently they charged him with dangerous driving 15 months after the event without ever notifying him of the court date (ie serving notice) but knew where to go to collect the licence! As it stands it was cheaper and faster to get a work licence than go without a licence for three months going for "irregularity in proceedings" and then actually defend the charge. With a kid about 6 weeks away he can't risk thousands trying to clear his name, as in the likely event of success (on the irregularity in proceedings) he'd have his licence back anyway and be thousands poorer for it.

It's a true failing of a western "innocent until proven guilty" justice system when the innocent end up worse off than the guilty after having to defend a charge after/during the punishment isn't it?

Has he taken into account the effect that his acceptance of this dangerous driving charge will have on both his insurance premiums and potential employment opportunities in the future?

It might very well be worth spending the couple thousand now.

[avgas]

Also, I'm totally buying a Mazda Familia: they do 169kph!!!

From wiki

"The rare JDM GT-R rally version was added in 1992, featuring a number of performance enhancements over the GTX model: a stronger gearbox (G5M-R), sodium filled exhaust valve stems, an aggressive front bumper, grill and bonnet vents, updated rear bumper, wheel flares, stiffer suspension and anti-roll bars with thicker cross members, stronger engine internals, larger IHI RHF6CB VJ-23 roller-bearing turbo, and homologated five stud wheel hubs with larger brakes. The interior was all leather and suede and had the option of replacing the cupholder with a 3 gauge cluster. The GTR has these engine and management benefits over a stock GTX: stronger connecting rods and pistons, bigger oil squirters, larger nose crank, bigger oil cooler, sodium filled valves, inlet manifold is baffled, bigger injectors (from 330cc(black) to 440cc(orange)), removed boost cut, front mounted intercooler, VJ23 turbo ball bearing watercooled turbocharger. The GTR has 156 kW"

So yeah I imagine it goes a bit

[schrodingers cat]

Grey Power have agreed to assist Police with any future chases. Appropriate tactics and training (see image one) will be given. On hearing sirens window twitching coffin dodger will clatter to the roadside with their zimmer frame and 'doof doof' supressor.

Trials thus far have proved to be a resounding success (see image 2). There will be no u-turns on this policy

[dangerous]

Um, I think we all know he doesn't do Dress UP...

true... dress 'down' is his thing

some of those "officers" are a bunch of cowboys out on the road, which is a shame as many of them are perfectly reasonable and carry out their job in a professional manner

No...they're all pricks!!!

yeah, but the odd one is a 'good prick'

[motorbyclist]

Has he taken into account the effect that his acceptance of this dangerous driving charge will have on both his insurance premiums and potential employment opportunities in the future?

It might very well be worth spending the couple thousand now.

unfortunately with his first child being due some time in the next 4-6 weeks he can't afford to be in a legal battle nor reliant on others for transport.

If the innocent were guaranteed full compensation for their defence, it might be possible, but as it is many new zealanders are bankrupted trying to defend their innocence (not just for traffic charges but more serious ones too) and are left bankrupt even after being found innocent.

[freedom-wedge]

Did you read that 60% of police are cross dressers ?
it came out in a study by Massey university after interviewing 300 police from around the country.
1/ I can believe they admited it
2/ Are these people really the pillars of our community

Maybe they just got addicted to drag after long periods of under cover ops who knows ?

[Genestho]

In my view instant and mandatory roadside loss of licence and or vehicle without the benefit of a trial are not powers that should be vested in the Police. As evidenced by a sizeable percentage of posters on this board there are those who (with or without cause) have deep suspicions of the integrity and/or fair mindedness of some of the constabulary. Even more so among the young and reckless.

I honestly suspect we have brought much of this shit upon ourselves.

If there's visual evidence that some one is dangerously driving, why not instantly remove the car at the roadside?

I'm told this is how alot of seriously drunk drivers have been caught, and stopped then and there.
And how do you tell if some one is 'merely' driving dangerously or severely drunk? You don't until you pull them over.

I have more faith in the integrity of most police than alot of drivers who've been pulled up and had cars impounded.

CW- What's your workable alternative to mandatory roadside license and vehicle removal? (serious question)

And yes, it has been bought upon ourselves.

[motorbyclist]

If there's visual evidence that some one is dangerously driving, why not instantly remove the car at the roadside?

I'm told this is how alot of seriously drunk drivers have been caught, and stopped then and there.
And how do you tell if some one is merely driving dangerously or severely drunk? You don't until you pull them over.

I have more faith in the integrity of most police than alot of drivers who've been pulled up and had cars impounded.

CW- What's your workable alternative to mandatory roadside license and vehicle removal? (serious question)

the problem here is often (and there's been a few recent cases) cops will pull up a different vehicle to the one they clicked at speed and the poor driver/rider is essentially guilty on the roadside without a trial.

drunk driving is different from 40+ speeding in that after failing the breath test you must accompany the officer back to the station for evidential breath/blood test - you don't have your licence taken until after turning up in court.

the car is impounded only if the driver of the vehicle (regardless of if they are the owner or not) is on a suspended licence.

taking the licence on the spot really does nothing but punish as guilty before trial to establish that guilt over innocence. This is not the case for any other charge i am aware of and is NOT how your justice system is meant to work.

[Genestho]

the problem here is often (and there's been a few recent cases) cops will pull up a different vehicle to the one they clicked at speed and the poor driver/rider is essentially guilty on the roadside without a trial.

drunk driving is different from 40+ speeding in that after failing the breath test you must accompany the officer back to the station for evidential breath/blood test - you don't have your licence taken until after turning up in court.

the car is impounded only if the driver of the vehicle (regardless of if they are the owner or not) is on a suspended licence.

taking the licence on the spot really does nothing but punish as guilty before trial to establish that guilt over innocence. This is not the case for any other charge i am aware of and is NOT how your justice system is meant to work.

That's unfortunate - do you have links/sources of these recent cases please Sir?

[PirateJafa]

That's unfortunate - do you have links/sources of these recent cases please Sir?

Feel free to ask Mister "Madness" and Mister "Death_INC" on this very site.