Does drug prohibition put the police in danger and harm the public?

[mashman]

I have absolutely no opinion on this issue. However...Attachment 213110

So it makes financial sense to decriminalise it in the US... you'd generate nearly 800 billion in tax revenues and save over 6 trillion on incarceration costs... FUCK ME... that'd be 1.5 trillion extra for education/infrastructure/healthcare/real policing etc... here?

I'm with the decriminalisation lobby... the only downside, that I can see, is smoking whilst at work/driving (some already take that risk with booze) etc... Revenue will be up, officers will be getting shot for something entirely different and perhaps the "crims" will be happier to have fun with their new cannabis benefit, than create nuisance?

[mashman]

and on a personal note... i'd much rather have a bunch of stoned morons roving the streets, than pissed up teens oblivious to your humanity as they kick your head in for no reason than, they're shitfaced and didn't like the look of you... old people, cops, women, babies, teachers and the beat goes on... free it up, soooo many pointless rules

[Hinny]

There is no doubt that prohibition of anything creates a huge black market for that thing

Some like Edbear refute the idea that prohibiting (making illegal) the use of certain substances is 'Prohibition'.

That's why I recommend doing one's own independent research on it as I have.

You need to do considerably more research given your views and comments.
Hypocritical exhibition of the abhorrent failing 'Arrogant ignorance'.

Recent news showed the number of teenagers smoking has dropped markedly, and this surely is due to education.

There is no logic in that statement. .... and stop calling me Shirley.

When was the last time any of you heard of someone blazing up a mad as J and then going on a rampage with a gun?

Harry Anslinger got Cannabis made illegal in the US by telling tales of pot users turning into axe-wielding homicidal maniacs. The Congress bought the story and movies like 'Reefer Madness' sold the lies to the general public.

The war on drugs has resulted in the worldwide proliferation in drug use. This is indisputable.

Education has resulted in increased drug use.
How many on this forum first learned about drugs from 'Drug educators' at schools. Reformed users etc.
There was no problem with glue sniffing in Ak. until the Herald ran articles about glue sniffing complete with articles on how to use it.
According to Graeme Perry, the former head of the drug squad in Ak., there was no Heroin problem until they said there was one. Education, through the media, created a problem.
You tell lies about one drug and all drug education goes the same way. Tales of harm get ignored.

[Edbear]

Some like Edbear refute the idea that prohibiting (making illegal) the use of certain substances is 'Prohibition'.


You need to do considerably more research given your views and comments.
Hypocritical exhibition of the abhorrent failing 'Arrogant ignorance'.


There is no logic in that statement. .... and stop calling me Shirley.


Harry Anslinger got Cannabis made illegal in the US by telling tales of pot users turning into axe-wielding homicidal maniacs. The Congress bought the story and movies like 'Reefer Madness' sold the lies to the general public.

The war on drugs has resulted in the worldwide proliferation in drug use. This is indisputable.

Education has resulted in increased drug use.
How many on this forum first learned about drugs from 'Drug educators' at schools. Reformed users etc.
There was no problem with glue sniffing in Ak. until the Herald ran articles about glue sniffing complete with articles on how to use it.
According to Graeme Perry, the former head of the drug squad in Ak., there was no Heroin problem until they said there was one. Education, through the media, created a problem.
You tell lies about one drug and all drug education goes the same way. Tales of harm get ignored.

You must be on some pretty effective "medication" yourself. Your post is so far out it's off the planet. Spoken like a died-in-the-wool drug user out of touch with reality and with no idea who I am and what study I have done on the subject.

[Edbear]

The war on drugs has resulted in the worldwide proliferation in drug use. This is indisputable.

Education has resulted in increased drug use.
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Yup, that's why the world has such a huge alcohol problem as well, right...? And the even bigger problem of prescription drug addiction too...

It's all a big conspiracy to interfere with your "right" to take drugs which are harmless...

[slowpoke]

Googled alcohol prohibtion and wowsers in NZ and first hit was this little gem, lol

blah blah de blah

Next google hit

blah blah blah

What's the point of quoting nameless, sourceless, unsubstantiated opinion pieces, trawled off the net? Oops, I forgot the "Truth" app you use when Googling on your I-phone....my bad.

[mashman]

What's the point of quoting nameless, sourceless, unsubstantiated opinion pieces, trawled off the net? Oops, I forgot the "Truth" app you use when Googling on your I-phone....my bad.

Dr Richard Melamede PHD former Chairman of the Biology Department of Colorado University says:

http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/2009062310...rs-a-year.html

[SMOKEU]

I don't want to get into a discussion as to whether or not pot kills your brain cells and makes you stupid, but eating excessive amounts of food kills people and costs the health system millions of $ every year. People can die from an OD of panadol, even caffeine pills. There is no risk of an OD on weed, and prohibition has not been proven to increase the safety of the general population, or the users.

[Edbear]

Dr Richard Melamede PHD former Chairman of the Biology Department of Colorado University says:

http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/2009062310...rs-a-year.html

There has been a lot of research done on the medicinal properties of many drugs, including Cannabis and I have long been of the opinion that the drug had benefits in medicine that should be developed.

However the misuse of many substances for "pleasure" goes on and will go on by those who are short-sighted and ignorant, and if they can't get what they want they'll look for a substitute to give them their so-called "high". Witness the development of these legal party drugs as people try to find ways to get blotto so they can have a "good time".

[Edbear]

I don't want to get into a discussion as to whether or not pot kills your brain cells and makes you stupid, but eating excessive amounts of food kills people and costs the health system millions of $ every year. People can die from an OD of panadol, even caffeine pills. There is no risk of an OD on weed, and prohibition has not been proven to increase the safety of the general population, or the users.

There's no point in talking about all the different ways people can kill or damage themselves, it's only a smokescreen to justify using. The simple answer is to take care of your health in all areas as much as is within your control to do so. Don't overeat, overdrink, overdose or engage in activities you're not capable of handling.

And as I always encourage people to do their own research and study, I am constantly amazed at the reluctance of people to find out facts, lest it spoil their personal preferences...

[Hinny]

You must be on some pretty effective "medication" yourself. Your post is so far out it's off the planet. Spoken like a died-in-the-wool drug user out of touch with reality and with no idea who I am and what study I have done on the subject.

I have an analysed life/mind and do not need or use medication.
Perhaps you could elucidate. Which parts of my post are 'out'?
I have a clear idea of what study you have done on the subject given your posts.
A succinct summary could be 'insufficient'.

[DMNTD:Me]

However the misuse of many substances for "pleasure" goes on and will go on by those who are short-sighted and ignorant, and if they can't get what they want they'll look for a substitute to give them their so-called "high". Witness the development of these legal party drugs as people try to find ways to get blotto so they can have a "good time".

Sounds a lot like motorcycling to me.

A bit like the ACC bollix, there is always a way to view things in both a positive a negative light (broad strokes).

[Edbear]

Some like Edbear refute the idea that prohibiting (making illegal) the use of certain substances is 'Prohibition'.

Where did I say that?

You need to do considerably more research given your views and comments.
Hypocritical exhibition of the abhorrent failing 'Arrogant ignorance'.

I have done extensive research and my views reflect the studies done on the subject. Medical studies have time and again proven the detrimental effects of Cannabis use on the human brain and nervoius system and if you did some research yourself, you would find the same.


There is no logic in that statement. .... and stop calling me Shirley.

Don't you watch the news?


Harry Anslinger got Cannabis made illegal in the US by telling tales of pot users turning into axe-wielding homicidal maniacs. The Congress bought the story and movies like 'Reefer Madness' sold the lies to the general public.

Since his time there have been extensive and indeed ongoing studies into the effects of cannabis on the body and mind. You are out of date and his stance has little to do with today's laws which have been hotly debated and extensively researched. If Cannabis was harmless it would not be illegal.


The war on drugs has resulted in the worldwide proliferation in drug use. This is indisputable.

Education has resulted in increased drug use.

I have addressed this in another post.

How many on this forum first learned about drugs from 'Drug educators' at schools. Reformed users etc.
There was no problem with glue sniffing in Ak. until the Herald ran articles about glue sniffing complete with articles on how to use it.
According to Graeme Perry, the former head of the drug squad in Ak., there was no Heroin problem until they said there was one. Education, through the media, created a problem.
You tell lies about one drug and all drug education goes the same way. Tales of harm get ignored.

Rubbish, this is typical conspiracy theory crap. Anyone can do their own independent study and publicise the results.

[Edbear]

Sounds a lot like motorcycling to me.

A bit like the ACC bollix, there is always a way to view things in both a positive a negative light (broad strokes).

Motorcycling cannot be compared to alcohol and drug use beyond the endorphine factor. Alcohol and drugs are invariably detrimental to one's physical and cognitive abilities, riding a bike isn't. Why do you think even so many precription drugs warn against driving while taking them?

[DMNTD:Me]

Motorcycling cannot be compared to alcohol and drug use beyond the endorphin factor. Alcohol and drugs are invariably detrimental to one's physical and cognitive abilities, riding a bike isn't. Why do you think even so many prescription drugs warn against driving while taking them?

Good...because that is all I meant.

Re prescription drugs...unfortunately I've had a lot more experience than most with those.
I am still supposed to be on a gratuitous amount of HEAVY painkillers yet choose not to be due to the side effects.
Should I take Valium or Imovane to sleep tonight?
Nah...think I'll stick to a cone