Trackdays and wheelies

[Cr1MiNaL]

I'm not taking sides on this one but theres a big difference between someone like Andy popping a wheelie on the back straight of Taupo in the fast group (ie He checks noones near him first) and some knumbnuts doing the same thing in the slow group through the middle of a bunch of trackday virgins.
BUT you watch said numbnuts come up and bitch and moan (after he's been roasted for his idiocy) when he see's Andy being allowed to "do the same thing"
--Yes this EXACT senario has happened
A simple blanket ban is unfortunately the most sensible solution.

The situation Death is describing is totally different though
Given the situation in this case is as Andy described then the person concerned (marshal) needs education on how a modern ZX10 rides.
Gosh I'm not exactly fast and I was struggling to keep the front end down at a taupo track day not so long ago.

What you numnuts don't realise is that insurance companies come to these track days and monitor how the day is run. They hold the right to pull the plug on any company holding these track days if they see wheelies etc. Let's see how many people cry about it when you don't have track day insurance anymore. If you would like to debate sensibly for a change - approach an insurance company and ask them if they will allow wheelies and and give them the very argument you just made ... haha.

Darrin and the team at HDRD obviously recognise this. I have marshaled about 15 times for them and never has a rider been pulled where not deserved. We've got the likes of Sloan, Hayden and Robbie amongst others battling it out testing their setups and sure they wheelie because they can't help it - but never have thy been done or even warned when I was around. It's pretty obvious to most marshals what consists an unintentional wheelie and what isin't. Furthermore, a marshals call generally needs to be backed by another and yet we give it another couple of laps before course control actually issues orders to red flag a rider. They run one of the best most professional set ups I have even seen. Yet again your brilliance in understanding and evaluating a situation you weren't present for astounds me. Keep it up Frosty ! You da man!

[White trash]

The whole thing's as gay as a Honda racer winning aqt the streets, shit just aint right.

I quite like going to test days in my car, I'm allowed to drift 'till my heart's content. At the drags, I get the chance to win something for doing big fat burnouts as long as I want.

Guess bike riding's just for suckers now. Good luck with your crusade fella, you well know my thoughts on it, but I'm pretty sure you're fucked and things will only get tougher.

[puddy]

puke test days are good!...you can do what ever the fuck ya want

And you pull MINT wheelies there! I'm guessing it was you there two weeks ago with Danger Dave.

[Devil]

Andy, I think that may have been one of the two days that I haven't been running course control for HDRD.
Perhaps whoever was on that day was a bit harsh, perhaps not. I wouldn't know but as mentioned earlier, we do make the distinction between power wheelies and taking the piss. As you say, it's hard work keeping the front down out of those corners on a big bike.

For example, I ask the marshals to follow a bike round for me on the radio if it has been reported as wheelieing so that we can gauge whether it's just power, or if they're intentionally holding it up. Sometimes its real hard to tell!

You're most welcome at Hampton Downs Ride Days, just do what you can to keep the front down. Stroud, Bugden, Shirrifs etc all ride within the rules.

Remember, if you're lifting the front everywhere, you're just wasting power. If you want a quick lap it's in your best interests to keep the front down.

[Quasievil]

For example, I ask the marshals to follow a bike round for me on the radio if it has been reported as wheelieing so that we can gauge whether it's just power, or if they're intentionally holding it up. Sometimes its real hard to tell!

Oh, so power wheelies are okay, I was deliberately keeping the front down so I didnt break the rules

[DEATH_INC.]

What you numnuts don't realise is that insurance companies come to these track days and monitor how the day is run. They hold the right to pull the plug on any company holding these track days if they see wheelies etc. Let's see how many people cry about it when you don't have track day insurance anymore. If you would like to debate sensibly for a change - approach an insurance company and ask them if they will allow wheelies and and give them the very argument you just made ... haha.

Darrin and the team at HDRD obviously recognise this. I have marshaled about 15 times for them and never has a rider been pulled where not deserved. We've got the likes of Sloan, Hayden and Robbie amongst others battling it out testing their setups and sure they wheelie because they can't help it - but never have thy been done or even warned when I was around. It's pretty obvious to most marshals what consists an unintentional wheelie and what isin't. Furthermore, a marshals call generally needs to be backed by another and yet we give it another couple of laps before course control actually issues orders to red flag a rider. They run one of the best most professional set ups I have even seen. Yet again your brilliance in understanding and evaluating a situation you weren't present for astounds me. Keep it up Frosty ! You da man!

I don't go to trackdays to do wheelies, they can be done anywhere, anytime blah blah. Why the hell would I waste $200 to do that?
You know pretty well that if I was doing proper wheelies it'd be pretty obvious.
Your point about the insurance is well taken, and I do try to abide by the rules to the best of my limited abilities.

[FROSTY:Me]

What you numnuts don't realise is that insurance companies come to these track days and monitor how the day is run. They hold the right to pull the plug on any company holding these track days if they see wheelies etc. Let's see how many people cry about it when you don't have track day insurance anymore. If you would like to debate sensibly for a change - approach an insurance company and ask them if they will allow wheelies and and give them the very argument you just made ... haha.

Darrin and the team at HDRD obviously recognise this. I have marshaled about 15 times for them and never has a rider been pulled where not deserved. We've got the likes of Sloan, Hayden and Robbie amongst others battling it out testing their setups and sure they wheelie because they can't help it - but never have thy been done or even warned when I was around. It's pretty obvious to most marshals what consists an unintentional wheelie and what isin't. Furthermore, a marshals call generally needs to be backed by another and yet we give it another couple of laps before course control actually issues orders to red flag a rider. They run one of the best most professional set ups I have even seen. Yet again your brilliance in understanding and evaluating a situation you weren't present for astounds me. Keep it up Frosty ! You da man!

Learn to read you fuckwit.
When you were still swaddling on your mammas Knee I was RUNNING trackdays.
For the record the KB trackdays were the FIRST to be cleared by the insurance companies for full insurance cover.
Death Inc was instrumental in ensuring that trackdays as you know them actually happened in NZ at all.
We were the first to put a blanket ban on wheelies at trackdays because of said whineing R1 riders antics.
So I think when Andy says its an accidental power stand out of corners then thats what it is.
Clearly you havent watched the riders you are quoting on an actual raceday or timed practice because if you had you would not be saying they had no trouble keeping the front down at HD

[Cr1MiNaL]

Learn to read you fuckwit.
When you were still swaddling on your mammas Knee I was RUNNING trackdays.
For the record the KB trackdays were the FIRST to be cleared by the insurance companies for full insurance cover.
Death Inc was instrumental in ensuring that trackdays as you know them actually happened in NZ at all.
We were the first to put a blanket ban on wheelies at trackdays because of said whineing R1 riders antics.
So I think when Andy says its an accidental power stand out of corners then thats what it is.
Clearly you havent watched the riders you are quoting on an actual raceday or timed practice because if you had you would not be saying they had no trouble keeping the front down at HD

I know what your saying. Sure you may be more experienced and know everything there is to know about bikes and I'm just a noob with a big mouth. And I also know Andy can well ride a bike and I wudn't be foolish enough to call his popping the front exiting a corner a wheelie - given his control on one wheel. I just think personally - your a stool and that was the point of my post.

Besides oh mighty Frosty, were talking "track-day" here as opposed to "race-day" or "timed practice". For someone who "runs" trackdays since before I was bouncing on my mommas knees, you don't really know what you are talking about do you.....AS you were.

[Quasievil]

[FROSTY:Me]

I know what your saying. Sure you may be more experienced and know everything there is to know about bikes and I'm just a noob with a big mouth. And I also know Andy can well ride a bike and I wudn't be foolish enough to call his popping the front exiting a corner a wheelie - given his control on one wheel. I just think personally - your a stool and that was the point of my post.

Besides oh mighty Frosty, were talking "track-day" here as opposed to "race-day" or "timed practice". For someone who "runs" trackdays since before I was bouncing on my mommas knees, you don't really know what you are talking about do you.....AS you were.

The more you talk the more of an idiot you look like. So keep talking and you'll have the other white boot in your mouth soon enough.
Yep you are right. Andy does indeed know apropriate time and place to pull a wheelie. Ain't it a pity other gutless wonders don't have the same self control.

[Quasievil]

Yep you are right. Andy does indeed know apropriate time and place to pull a wheelie.

Yeah striaghts preferably with a small hump at the start.