Greens = numpties.

[scumdog]

So whats your anwser??

Status quo.

The 'register all guns' system never saved one life.

NOT having the guns registered has not cost one life.

[bogan]

Yep but not all the time, something is better than nothing. it is nice to know before you get up there. you know some good people also do bad shit.

but they won't know, they will only ever know if there is supposed to be guns at a house, better to treat em all as if they have them. Its just another example of creating laws to control the lawless.

[JMemonic]

If memory serves we used to have firearms registered to an owner it made no difference to firearms related crime or unlawful procession of firearms. There are merits in having a registration system, but they will not stop illegal firearms, it has a potential to reduce the ability of some licence holders to purchase arms for sale to the black market.

I would have to agree with the general consensus that the Greens are a misguided waste of space but I have heard of a couple of cases where their input has actually been sensible eg one bill to do with security of restricted areas on the first reading contained the requirement security officers were to be armed, this would have meant with limited or no training a group of people would be armed, even aviation security who operate in in a potentially dangerous environment, (and are government backed), are not armed, the only ones who appeared to notice this disparity were the Greens as they were the ones who objected.

What should concern some folks here is the alteration to the laws around airguns, I have a single shot spring powered air rifle that has a muzzle velocity in excess of some .22 cal firearm rounds, if I have to licence that's fine I will, but many wont.

[Rogue Rider]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaagh its not there fault, they smoked ways too much grass to be able to think normal.
Politics needs grassers, cause if they weren't there who else would make dumb arse ideas a reality.... Sue Bradford, now there's a shister, well she sure ain't a looker, or much good for anything else, or was it anything lol..... A smack is bad, it hurts lol........

From now on we will put naughty gun weilding idiots on the naughty step!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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.Nooooooooo please mr, don't put me back on the naughty step, pleeeease......

[BoristheBiter]

Status quo.

The 'register all guns' system never saved one life.

NOT having the guns registered has not cost one life.

How do you know?
Never had it here so you have nothing to Base it no other than what some other country has or hasn't done.
You go to a place, not supposed to have a firearm, you find a gun what do you do now?
Nothing becuase you have no way of tracing a firearm of if you go to a house and find no gun and there should be.
If it was registered you would know who is or isn't suposed to have one and find out either way why they don't.
I'm not nieve enough to think this will slove all the problems but at least it is a start unlike what there is now.........Nothing.

[BoristheBiter]

but they won't know, they will only ever know if there is supposed to be guns at a house, better to treat em all as if they have them. Its just another example of creating laws to control the lawless.

So the police just rock up to a house with the AOS in full tac, kick the door in, throw in a flash bang then find a joint or two while doing a drug warrent?
Can see that going down well.

[Usarka]

You don't need no gun control, you need bullet control!

[bogan]

So the police just rock up to a house with the AOS in full tac, kick the door in, throw in a flash bang then find a joint or two while doing a drug warrent?
Can see that going down well.

can you see them doing that if they know there is supposed to be a gun in that house? fuck off, having a gun is only a small part of the equation, having intent is far more serious, and the cops can't tell that unless they have to declare that as well?

[JMemonic]

How do you know?
Never had it here .

ORLY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol..._1983_Arms_Act

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0502/S00074.htm

We did it was removed in 1982, maybe before your time.

[scumdog]

How do you know?
Never had it here so you have nothing to Base it no other than what some other country has or hasn't done.
You go to a place, not supposed to have a firearm, you find a gun what do you do now?
Nothing becuase you have no way of tracing a firearm of if you go to a house and find no gun and there should be.
If it was registered you would know who is or isn't suposed to have one and find out either way why they don't.
I'm not nieve enough to think this will slove all the problems but at least it is a start unlike what there is now.........Nothing.

Ya blew it in the first two lines....

I guess I'm older than you...or haven't blitzed my memory.

And we find a gun and it can't be returned? - it's sent to the big gun-range in the sky..

[oldrider]

So whats your anwser??

Register the fucking "criminals" and visit "them" every day to check "their" gun licences, they are the only ones that use them for "crime"! FFS

[BoristheBiter]

ORLY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol..._1983_Arms_Act

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0502/S00074.htm

We did it was removed in 1982, maybe before your time.

Not before my time but before my licence.
I stand corrected.

[BoristheBiter]

Ya blew it in the first two lines....

I guess I'm older than you...or haven't blitzed my memory.

And we find a gun and it can't be returned? - it's sent to the big gun-range in the sky..

Maybe are but i stand corrected anyway.
I still can't see why it would be a good thing not only can you see who is reciving you can also see who is selling illegaly.
With todays tecnology if we can see what cars are reged and WOFed i'm sure it can work with firearms.

[Usarka]

Register the fucking "criminals" and visit "them" every day to check "their" gun licences, they are the only ones that use them for "crime"! FFS

That's breaching their rights.

Far better to make it more restrictive for law-abiding folk even if the change has very little chance of doing any good.

[davereid]

No country has ever been able to show that gun registration has lowered gun crime rates. And why would it ?

Motor-vehicles present themselves regularly in a public place, registration is relatively easy to enforce. Yet many vehicles go unregistered, carry fasle plartes or are stolen, particularly those used in crimes.

But guns are different. Most of their life is spent out of public scrutiny, in a cupboard or on private land.

Indeed, the sight of one registered or otherwise causes greenies to shit themselves and find another reason to be a vegetarian. Rocking into a mountain hut full of tree-huggers, whilst slinging a 7mm REM-Mag always make you feel like they think you are going to shoot them...

And, when grand-dad dies, what happens then ?

The problem with the old registry was that the guns would just get "lost". Did the older son Fred take them or was it young Joe ?

Perhaps the police could appoint a man to read the deaths column and run around to make sure the dead chaps guns are not handed on !

Our current system of licensing users seems to be working very well. Why F around with it ?

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The licensing of airguns will actually increase the number of firearms in the community, so it will be good for boosting the numbers of firearms owners.

Once licensed, many who would have wanted only an air-rifle for the magpies or bunnies will buy a .22 as well / instead.

Criminals of course, don't bother with the license, They don't need it, as they don't buy their guns at Sportsways.