Aftermarket wheels for new National SUPERBIKE rules

[Drew]

Or you could learn the changes required yourself and make the tweaks if you need too.

I understand that if you want to get the absolute best from your lighter rims you need to tune them in BUT it is still not dangerous interchanging between heavy and lightened wheels and making no changes to your setup....in fact it is still an advantage to put lighter weight wheels on as whatever your suspension settings are, it makes it easier for the springy stuff to do their job better...

You have said yourself it makes a HUGE difference to the way the bike performs...but I will add to this that this is also the case no matter what your suspension is....and this is my whole point I'm trying to put across...the wheels are not a unnecessary accessory but are in themselves a critical part of your motorcycles handling performance....can we all agree on this????

The thread has turned into a bit of a shit fight for you Marcus, but I wanna make just one post about the wheels before it gets put in PD.

I'm sure the light wheels make a real big difference to your lap times, but set the bike up to get down to 1m10s around Manfield and swap to the heavy wheels when it starts raining, and see how much fun you have trying to get the bike to tip in.

Most racers have aspirations of running at the front man, set up is a massive part of that. But every single day requires a different set up on the track, the changes needing made are not the same between wheels from day to day. Do you think Robert is so good at his job because he can remember the settings for all bikes? No, he's so good because he can dream up new settings every time he comes into your garage depending on the day.

[Deano]

Do you think Robert is so good at his job because he can remember the settings for all bikes?

It damn near seems like it sometimes.....

[sidecar bob]

Someone remarked earlier that if one buys light wheels, all will need too to compete. While they were at it they should have banned tyre warmers for the same reason, it would have returned the peace & quiet to the pits again from all the genertators & we would be able to hear all you bastards arguing.
Frankly, i think banning aftermarket wheels for cost reasons without banning aftermarket suspension for the same reason is rather odd.

[sidecar bob]

My bike can be bent and it doesnt really effect my lap times, does make it a bit of a challenge to ride though

I know what you mean, my bike is completely assymetrical & it handles fine. Some people need to just HTFU.

[White trash]

Life is never dull. Commies are fast because they are always evading user pays.....

My Commy's fast because it's got a dirty great 5.7L V8 up it.

[Biggles08]

The thread has turned into a bit of a shit fight for you Marcus, but I wanna make just one post about the wheels before it gets put in PD.

I'm sure the light wheels make a real big difference to your lap times, but set the bike up to get down to 1m10s around Manfield and swap to the heavy wheels when it starts raining, and see how much fun you have trying to get the bike to tip in.

Most racers have aspirations of running at the front man, set up is a massive part of that. But every single day requires a different set up on the track, the changes needing made are not the same between wheels from day to day. Do you think Robert is so good at his job because he can remember the settings for all bikes? No, he's so good because he can dream up new settings every time he comes into your garage depending on the day.

I agree about the suspension setup changes Drew; but changing between weighted wheels is not a safety issue....hardly. Its just as dangerous as going out in qualifying in the dry pushing 1.11's around Manfeild (for me that is ) and then race comes along and you have to slow down for the conditions....you simply adjust how you ride it.

I'm sure Robert will agree that lightening the wheels (or unsprung weight to be precise) make the suspension able to do its job more effectively...mainly, there are other reasons too but essentially the weight of your unsprung weight and reducing it is only going to make your bike handle better in EVERY occasion...and if you can't adjust to heavier wheels in the rain then I would suggest you have bigger problems to tackle as the track is wet and you need to make some smart adjustments if you don't want to be grazing with the cows.

[Biggles08]

...and if it were last year I would have been doing everything to stop it going through as well.

And that is GOLD Choppa! There are so many agendas in the politics of racing and I would like to break out of the bullshit if possible!

I've never been one to hide behind anyone else or make a pseudo alias to push my agenda. Everyone knows who I am and what I stand for. I have never pretended to not be associated with CARROZZERIA wheels or any other issue I go in to bat for. I is what I is! It makes me an easy target as I have not been in this racing scene for very long but I make my opinions known. Although, I would like to say I'm no spring chicken and have been around to have seen this type of smokescreen in other areas before.

Shaun is a great example of what I am refering to and I have called out his BULLSHIT in this thread because thats simply what it is. I can gaurantee if it was in his PERSONAL interest to have lighter wheels he would be backing them 100%. So by me highlighting the benefits of why lightened wheels help out who ever cares to purchase them, at a reasonable price...who has really got the riders best interest in mind I ask?

Somehow it appears that being involved in sales is supposed to be a bad thing according to Shaun...I love selling products that are high quality and worth every cent because I feel by showing them the advantages they may not have considered before I am adding value for them.

Regardless of what people think is "too expensive" it is a fact that by reducing your unsprung weight is a far bigger issue than say buying nice rearsets for $800-$1000. Why not put a cap on these products? Because people should be able to choose where they want to invest their $$$ on what they deem to have the best return. Wheels should be allowed to be looked at for this reason alone. Not everyone will place high importance on getting them, but I would as I know how good they make my bike handle.

[cowpoos]

Wonder if thats cheaper than a set of OEM wheels for Sloan?

ummmmm, you know I am thick poos, where is this heading?

Well sloan was implying that wheel for his bike were expensive....tyre changing machine might be a good fast-ish option in stead of wheels??

[Drew]

I agree about the suspension setup changes Drew; but changing between weighted wheels is not a safety issue....hardly. Its just as dangerous as going out in qualifying in the dry pushing 1.11's around Manfeild (for me that is ) and then race comes along and you have to slow down for the conditions....you simply adjust how you ride it.

I'm sure Robert will agree that lightening the wheels (or unsprung weight to be precise) make the suspension able to do its job more effectively...mainly, there are other reasons too but essentially the weight of your unsprung weight and reducing it is only going to make your bike handle better in EVERY occasion...and if you can't adjust to heavier wheels in the rain then I would suggest you have bigger problems to tackle as the track is wet and you need to make some smart adjustments if you don't want to be grazing with the cows.

You sure are doing well at looking straight past the point man.

The GEOMETRY changes required, to best utilise the reduced unsprung weight are quite substantial. I am not talking about the clickers, or even the valving at this point, I am referring to the steering angle, the swingarm pivot position, and swingarm angle. Those things are tricky, and really important to stability.

To run at the front (which is where "racers" want to be, rather than circulating for personal pleasure), it is the ONLY option to run the same wheels all the time. That said, only buying one spare set is silly, and quite possibly dangerous.

Ya get it that time, or shall I start drawing a picture?

[sidecar bob]

To run at the front (which is where "racers" want to be, rather than circulating for personal pleasure)

Herin lies the root of the problem. If your primary motivation for jumping on a racebike is not personal pleasure then you are missing the whole purpose of racing. Yep, winning is great, i have done it plenty, but if i didnt enjoy myself doing it i wouldnt bother.
I made the change to CMCRR (classic racing) a couple of years ago & discovered a bunch of has been fossils like myself, that were still getting a kick out of taking the chequred flag, even in last place & just love motorcycles & racing, without all the egos, agendas & commercial backgammon that drives most decisions in modern racing.

[Shaun]

Well sloan was implying that wheel for his bike were expensive....tyre changing machine might be a good fast-ish option in stead of wheels??

Understand your logic

[cowpoos]

Herin lies the root of the problem. If your primary motivation for jumping on a racebike is not personal pleasure then you are missing the whole purpose of racing. Yep, winning is great, i have done it plenty, but if i didnt enjoy myself doing it i wouldnt bother.
I made the change to CMCRR (classic racing) a couple of years ago & discovered a bunch of has been fossils like myself, that were still getting a kick out of taking the chequred flag, even in last place & just love motorcycles & racing, without all the egos, agendas & commercial backgammon that drives most decisions in modern racing.

To be fair everyone has different Goals and reasons for racing or riding Bikes.

[White trash]

And that is GOLD Choppa! There are so many agendas in the politics of racing and I would like to break out of the bullshit if possible!

I've never been one to hide behind anyone else or make a pseudo alias to push my agenda. Everyone knows who I am and what I stand for. I have never pretended to not be associated with CARROZZERIA wheels or any other issue I go in to bat for. I is what I is! It makes me an easy target as I have not been in this racing scene for very long but I make my opinions known. Although, I would like to say I'm no spring chicken and have been around to have seen this type of smokescreen in other areas before.

Shaun is a great example of what I am refering to and I have called out his BULLSHIT in this thread because thats simply what it is. I can gaurantee if it was in his PERSONAL interest to have lighter wheels he would be backing them 100%. So by me highlighting the benefits of why lightened wheels help out who ever cares to purchase them, at a reasonable price...who has really got the riders best interest in mind I ask?

Somehow it appears that being involved in sales is supposed to be a bad thing according to Shaun...I love selling products that are high quality and worth every cent because I feel by showing them the advantages they may not have considered before I am adding value for them.

Regardless of what people think is "too expensive" it is a fact that by reducing your unsprung weight is a far bigger issue than say buying nice rearsets for $800-$1000. Why not put a cap on these products? Because people should be able to choose where they want to invest their $$$ on what they deem to have the best return. Wheels should be allowed to be looked at for this reason alone. Not everyone will place high importance on getting them, but I would as I know how good they make my bike handle.

As perviously stated, I applaud your dedication to your sponsor but we are now flogging a seriously fucked up horse. The wheels aren't allowed under the rules. *Most* racers agree that it's a good decision. You obviously don't due to tie ins with people which is fine.

The thing you've got to be carefull about opinions and the like is that when you voice them too loudly and unwaveringly, people tend to think you're a bit of a dick and stop listening.

As an alternative opinion regarding Shaun to yours. About 4 years ago I got an out of the blue phone call at my job as a storeman from Mr Harris who I had previously had NOTHING to do with. At the request of a mutual friend of ours, he was bring his almost new GSX600 race bike up to Pukekohe for the weekend and wanted me to have a test on it. We got along well and Shaun continued to mentor me and drag his huge trailer all over the North Island, me racing his bike with the hope I could develop skills and we could attract sponsors. I wrecked his bike at Taupo after qualifying .03 of a second off Jays pole time in shit conditions. I know Shaun had a cunning plan ligned up that was tragically cut down by his massive IOM crash but ALL of this racing and travelling was done out of his own pocket and I probably cost him 3 grand in damages.

It took a chance to get a new rider into the sport and he got me hooked. Is that not for the good of the sport Marcus?

Incidentally, if I EVER go racing again I will ask Mr Harris VERY nicely if he would kindly look after my race bike and mentor my return. This is of course if he hasn't totally got the shits with racers calling him a "fucking wanker" and pissed off over to IOM to live where he's a little bit better respected.

[Drew]

Herin lies the root of the problem. If your primary motivation for jumping on a racebike is not personal pleasure then you are missing the whole purpose of racing. Yep, winning is great, i have done it plenty, but if i didnt enjoy myself doing it i wouldnt bother.
I made the change to CMCRR (classic racing) a couple of years ago & discovered a bunch of has been fossils like myself, that were still getting a kick out of taking the chequred flag, even in last place & just love motorcycles & racing, without all the egos, agendas & commercial backgammon that drives most decisions in modern racing.

I didn't say I dont enjoy it if I dont win. I have won VERY few races, but it's a race! I still do it to try and win.

There was very little chance when I rode a superbike, but that didn't mean I would go out and take it easy. Robert was pulling the the shocks out of their bikes every race, he's bound by the human condition to get it wrong some time, and I might have been able to capitalise on it.

[Shaun]

As perviously stated, I applaud your dedication to your sponsor but we are now flogging a seriously fucked up horse. The wheels aren't allowed under the rules. *Most* racers agree that it's a good decision. You obviously don't due to tie ins with people which is fine.

The thing you've got to be carefull about opinions and the like is that when you voice them too loudly and unwaveringly, people tend to think you're a bit of a dick and stop listening.

As an alternative opinion regarding Shaun to yours. About 4 years ago I got an out of the blue phone call at my job as a storeman from Mr Harris who I had previously had NOTHING to do with. At the request of a mutual friend of ours, he was bring his almost new GSX600 race bike up to Pukekohe for the weekend and wanted me to have a test on it. We got along well and Shaun continued to mentor me and drag his huge trailer all over the North Island, me racing his bike with the hope I could develop skills and we could attract sponsors. I wrecked his bike at Taupo after qualifying .03 of a second off Jays pole time in shit conditions. I know Shaun had a cunning plan ligned up that was tragically cut down by his massive IOM crash but ALL of this racing and travelling was done out of his own pocket and I probably cost him 3 grand in damages.

It took a chance to get a new rider into the sport and he got me hooked. Is that not for the good of the sport Marcus?

Incidentally, if I EVER go racing again I will ask Mr Harris VERY nicely if he would kindly look after my race bike and mentor my return. This is of course if he hasn't totally got the shits with racers calling him a "fucking wanker" and pissed off over to IOM to live where he's a little bit better respected.

Thankyou MR Trash, You and or D Jones I will always help, after a few things that have gone on in the last few days, I will NOT be sponsoring a racer again, I have spent over $80-000 of my own money since 2005 helping NZ riders, and it is time to call that side of my life a day.


PS, my decision has nothing to do with the Bad mouthing of a person on here