Aftermarket wheels for new National SUPERBIKE rules

[Robert Taylor]

I'm not really...I guessing we will have to just disagree on this one. I believe and have felt the improvements I get with the wheels...and because of this I believe them to be equally as important to suspension. They work together equally and CARROZZERIA wheels are not cost prohibitive in the open classes when we consider what is spent on them currently

Give it a rest Marcus and accept it, the line in the sand has been drawn and frankly you have not been around long enough to make such a statement as above with total authority. Other racers on here have used super lightweight wheels either here or overseas and given priorities I know what they would have first.

[Biggles08]

Give it a rest Marcus and accept it, the line in the sand has been drawn and frankly you have not been around long enough to make such a statement as above with total authority. Other racers on here have used super lightweight wheels either here or overseas and given priorities I know what they would have first.

I will agree to give it a rest because I too don't seem to be getting anywhere productive in this debate...

I have never pretended to be anything other than what I am. I'm no Authority as you put it but I do have my opinion which I feel is justified regardless whether it is based on my limited experience in racing.

[Drew]

I'm not really...I guessing we will have to just disagree on this one. I believe and have felt the improvements I get with the wheels...and because of this I believe them to be equally as important to suspension. They work together equally and CARROZZERIA wheels are not cost prohibitive in the open classes when we consider what is spent on them currently

They make no where near the difference that suspension does, for handling or tyre wear.

How the fuck you would know at all is beyond me anyway, since you are running stock fork internals, and bloody slowly at that!

[CHOPPA]

Things are so much easier in MX! Buy a bike do whatever you like race it!

If someone wants to spend a million dollars to win a NZ championship then go for it, forget all the rules like you cant do this that or the other. The factory riders are going to have the best kit and if a private rider has a big check book if they cant ride for shit and if they are able to win races they will prob get a factory ride.

1 championship with no rules, prize money for the top 3 privateers.

[Robert Taylor]

I will agree to give it a rest because I too don't seem to be getting anywhere productive in this debate...

I have never pretended to be anything other than what I am. I'm no Authority as you put it but I do have my opinion which I feel is justified regardless whether it is based on my limited experience in racing.

My comment came out a little brutal and should have been preceded by ''with the greatest respect''. But the salient point remains and again with the greatest respect at your relatively tender number of years in road racing you face the same battle as many riders at the same stage. Getting your mind around chassis dynamics, suspension and geometry setup and everything working in harmony with the tyres.
As well as a logical progression in your riding skills progress on that front will be where you can make the greatest gains.
As a point relative to this thread superlightweight wheels were tried by a very top Superbike rider during the Tri Series. There was a very real negative in that he couldnt stop the front wheel popping up all the time exiting corners due to much less inertia. There is more mechanical grip when the front wheel is in contact with tarmac than in air! Such an issue may not be able to be totally successfully addressed without having a lot of electronics to cleverly suppress wheelies, and currently those electronics are largely the preserve of top level racing in BSB, WSBK and MotoGP. ( further cost ) I have spoken to Ohlins road race engineers about the very issue that I have just devulged.
There are always real world issues that are never covered in the sales blurb. In the end event this discussion has been productive and the decision that MNZ has made I think is the most productive one.

[gixerracer]

WILL ALL YOU WANKERS PLEASE SHUT UP YOU ARE GIVIN ME A HEADACHE.

thank u

[sidecar bob]

This is quite a good point but needs carefull consideration. The way I saw sidecar racing five seasons ago, no one could realistically take their machine overseas to compete as they simply weren't modern enough, now at least we have racers on more modern machinery who can and do take their rigs elsewhere to compete.

What happens overseas happens overseas, meanwhile we're fucked & nobody in Europe gives a toss about that.

[cowpoos]

WILL ALL YOU WANKERS PLEASE SHUT UP YOU ARE GIVIN ME A HEADACHE.

thank u

Is that a team suzuki new zealand sponsered comment?

[Kickaha]

thank u

You're welcome

[Robert Taylor]

WILL ALL YOU WANKERS PLEASE SHUT UP YOU ARE GIVIN ME A HEADACHE.

thank u

Dont undersetimate Craig even though hes a lovable rogue. He always knew that he would be welcomed back into the Suzuki family, and because he had that knowledge that is why he didnt change his forum name when he was racing Hondas. Clever bastard

[sugilite:Me]

I'm not really...I guessing we will have to just disagree on this one. I believe and have felt the improvements I get with the wheels...and because of this I believe them to be equally as important to suspension. They work together equally and CARROZZERIA wheels are not cost prohibitive in the open classes when we consider what is spent on them currently

I have to disagree on the wheels as being equally important. When I raced a zx10R, I took it to the track for it's 1st test day - it was bone stock, I only put old slicks on. On lap 3 I was doing a 1:10, then lap 4 the shock went off in a big way and it was down to 1:12's. I would conservatively say that just an ohlins shock alone (never mind fork internals) I would easily cut 3 seconds of that 1:12 time (for me).
When I went from standard wheels to marchesini racing mags on another super bike, yeah, sure acceleration was a little better as was the flickability, but no way was it three seconds a lap better, and they did not save my tyres anywhere near as much as a good shock would.

[Nonbeliever]

1 / stock bikes with race fairings,road tyres (no need for extra rims/wets etc)

2 / safety factor?? gimme a break we're talking about racing motorcycles

3 / marcus or whatever your name is, if Im ever in the market for your wheels I think I'll just get them off the net.We can all see why you were trying to promote this bs

[Crasherfromwayback]

1 / stock bikes with race fairings,road tyres (no need for extra rims/wets etc)

2 / safety factor?? gimme a break we're talking about racing motorcycles

3 / marcus or whatever your name is, if Im ever in the market for your wheels I think I'll just get them off the net.We can all see why you were trying to promote this bs

I'm with you 100%. If I thought I could go an buy a used GSXR1000L0, put some fibreglass fairings on it and go racing...I'd fucking near consider it. It's how it used to be. Strange that when that's how it actually was...we produced some of the best road racers NZ has seen.

[The Locco'n'Motion]

Perhaps as the Importer I can add something Factual to the Generally Very Emotive and Groundless comments in this thread.

I note that you can still spend - Thousands of Bucks on Suspension System Mod's that have to be tuned at everty race meeting for every track - Perhaps some FACTS ON WHAT THE COST OF ALL THESE MUTLIPLE VARIABLES CAN COST TO DEAL WITH????

If you were to Take the Basic Laws of Physic's and apply them then by Scientific Comparison and Analysis a Set of Wheels that Weighs up to 40% LESS!!! yes that is Correct, will Make a Substantive Improvement "ONE OFF" to the Performance Characteristics of your bike Period Not Further Adjustmet Required.

As for the Costs - Well Get the Facts From Me if you are a Racer - but it ain't gonna be $4k per wheel set and you also really aught to ask what you get for the price you pay.

When you see what any Prominant Aftermarket Susepension Units Cost to buy and then to operate - well you never know it could make perfect sense FINCANCIALLY to Have the Wheels and Work with the OEM Suspension Components and see what Performance Results You Really Get.

Nevertheless it is always a Choice - You Dohn't ahve to have them just like you don't ahve to ahve Ohlins - it is the Racers & Race Bike Builders Choice.

I guess that is truly what this is all about - HAVING A CHOICE!!!

Lets face it Racing isn't for those with NO MONEY it is exactly the Oposite - You Have to have some money and also it depends if you want to Get a Break on any of the Overseas Pro Circuits like the AMA / SBK / MotoGP!!! God Forbid it if there were to be a KIWI Rider That Made it into the MotoGP because he had the Real Choice to Be able to buy Top Line DOT / JAL Road Certified Aftermarket Wheels???

Wouldn't it be Great to ahve a KIWI back in those Comp's like Young Nick Cole.

So far I have read only a whole line of Drivel about Highly Charged Emotional Oppinions but nothing that has any Factual Basis!!

So lets hear from you race guys out there who have done your homework on the Material Facts.

The Fact is if you don't do anything to advance with Technology you will just go BACKWARDS AT AN INCREASING RATE OF KPH'S INTO OBLIVION.

Anyone Interested in Seeing Choppa Get onto a World Super Bike??? What about Nick Cole??

Well you won't if we as Kiwi's persist in Keeping Our Heads in the Sand as all other nations like Big Bro Occa Ozzies hit the big time in the AMA and all of the other international classes.


Come on - Burt Monro had a Can Do Spirit and he had far less money to play with than all of today's current competitors have!!! Think About it & maybe give it up for a New Idea to help get more Sponsor Involvement in the Sport to see it flourish rather than attrophy and diminish into a Naggers Column for Has Been's.

Cheers - Let MNZ Give Aftermarket Wheels a Go & Help Rejuvinate some Factual Thinking into the World of NZ's Premier Road Racing Scene....

Rock On Y'all

Holy shit, we agree on something! Great way to add four K to the cost of building a bike. 12 if you want three sets of trick rims.

[CHOPPA]

1 / stock bikes with race fairings,road tyres (no need for extra rims/wets etc)

2 / safety factor?? gimme a break we're talking about racing motorcycles

3 / marcus or whatever your name is, if Im ever in the market for your wheels I think I'll just get them off the net.We can all see why you were trying to promote this bs

Way to go Thats a brilliant attitude! This sponsor paid for Marcus to do the whole national series last year, another bike on the grid. Maybe Marcus has tried a bit hard to prove his point but atleast he is out there batting for his sponsor.

Great one mate