The right to choose your own line - what do you think?

[Banditbandit]

I thought I did see it.

So why did you need to ask the question ? Just to jump in with another dickhead attempt to get some kinda wimpy "safe riding" message across ?

[BoristheBiter]

So why did you need to ask the question ? Just to jump in with another dickhead attempt to get some kinda wimpy "safe riding" message across ?

So are you saying that to ride safely is to ride wimpy?

[george formby]

The golden rule when around other bikes or when other bikes are around, wether you know them or not is: the rider in front owns the road and once commited to your line, stick to it unless you absolutely have to avoid something.

Overtaking on corners? Why not. Sometimes it's the only way to pass the cocks who do 300kmh on the straights and go like slugs in the corners. Furthermore I think the law says something about 100 metres of visibility and there's plenty of corners where you can see 100 metres throughout the overtaking manouevre.

Shit, I overtake cars in corners when I'm in my car without breaking the law and it's a darn sight easier to do on a motorbike when done "correctly"

I think Crasher was not talking about overtaking on the inside of the rider but more like on the inside of a corner, right hander if I'm not mistaken which is entirely appropriate under most circumstances.

+1
If I have 100m of clear road before & after the overtake thats tickety boo. As long as I indicate, use the oncoming lane & do nothing too cause the bike/car to change their own line I will overtake on a straight or in a corner.
Good on ya for spotting a hazard in the rear & being proactive about it. I've been put in the same spot by faster riders & demonstrated my lack of faith by pulling right out of their way.
I'm also guilty of startling other road users when overtaking through corners but I put that down to people not using their mirrors & not reading the road ahead & seeing the opportunity.
I do think hard about the vehicle ahead stuffing up the corner & crossing the line

[Banditbandit]

So are you saying that to ride safely is to ride wimpy?

No, not at all. I'm just having a dig at Katman ...

[cowboyz]

The guy that fucked up Tunahunters corner/ride experience sounds indeed like he/she was riding like a cock. My only argument is that it is perfectly safe to pass someone in a corner. You can startle someone going by them in a straight line too remember. Sheesh...some passing lanes even have corners in them!!! Best we not dare pass anyone there!

theres always an exception to the rule.

I pretty much only ride with people I ride with because I know how they ride. Approaching a stranger on the road and you have no idea what they ride like not only their confidence and experience but their 'can I be fucked' mood. I remember a trip where we had 2 ro3 sports bikes and about 4 tourers out and about on a long journey and come across a couple of late model gixxers and we had a world of trouble getting around them, not because they were goign fast but because they were so unpredictable. But we had plenty way to go and we passed where we could and it was no big drama. A little consideration goes a long way... but the whole point is... its not a racetrack so everyone is not in the same frame of mind. and whats 'Im giving you miles of room' for one might be 'holy crap that was close!' for another.

[scumdog]

Meh, who cares?

[Corse1]

+1
I'm also guilty of startling other road users when overtaking through corners but I put that down to people not using their mirrors & not reading the road ahead & seeing the opportunity.
I do think hard about the vehicle ahead stuffing up the corner & crossing the line

Ever wonder why race bikes don't have mirrors !! It is not their responsibility what happens behind them. Thats why you tape your mirrors or remove them for track duties. If you want to pass like a loon take it to the track. Its the approacing riders responsibility to pick the line to pass safely.
Even then on the track you would be shortshifted off for irresponsible passing.

I would still pass in corners on the road but only riders that I am confident they are not going to do anything silly midcorner like run me off the road so only riders I regularly ride with.

[Katman]

No, not at all. I'm just having a dig at Katman ...

You'll have to try harder than that.

[avgas]

Meh, who cares?

Exactly.

Welcome to Kiwi-Bawler

[Banditbandit]

You'll have to try harder than that.

Naa .. I'm not that bothered

[beyond]

You'll have to try harder than that.

Shit, I don't have to try at all. I only need to post.

[Subike]

Overtaking in corners? yeah I do it, there are plenty of places where it is a safe move, just as there as plenty of places where it is not safe.
So for all you "I only overtake under xyz conditions " I suspect that when going up and down those really nice snake like hills roads that sometimes appear everywhere in NZ, you all overtake!
Can you garrentee that you will sit behind the BSA bantam doing 26.7MPH up that nice twisty hill, because it is NOT SAFE to overtake in a corner.
I use the BSA as an example......plenty of that type of slow riders out there on such and such a bike, those who dont know what riding at pace means.
Plus those that are still learning and go slow till they build up their confidence.
So you can sit behind that rider at his dawdle, Because its "not safe to overtake in a corner"
I'll just sit at my comfey pace, and enjoy my ride, corners and all.
Not letting myself become frustrated by the BSA rider, then end up in a road rage mode because of BSA rider, ( who I cant overtake because he is in a corner and its not safe), throw all my toys out of the toy box then pin the throttle at the first "safe" straight road!

Pitty I missed the car doing the same coming the other way who has just pulled out from behind the Morris 8

[sinned]

Passing on the inside on a left-hander is just fucked up. If the rider being passed is spooked they will head straight over into the on-coming lane.

In left-handers ya go round the outside - pretty dumb to go inside ... I thought even you would see that.
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Rimutakas is the place to experience passing on the left on a left hander. Has happened to me and I have seen others past this way. I think Koroj has also experienced this. It has sort of put me off KB rides.

[toycollector10]

I've never seen so much crap on this forum.

If someone is trying to go around me on the outside and I don't see him and mess up my line I'll correct it and maybe push him out into oncoming traffic. If I alter my line the other way I'll collect the prick on the inside. Either way, a bike/bike collision is a possibility.

All this justifying over/undertaking on corners is complete BS. I hope I never meet any of you tryhards on the road. Ooops, I already have.

As someone said, how much time are you going to make up? One tenth of a second at best to your destination? Or maybe you're all in The Zone and etc etc etc.....

[beyond]

I've never seen so much crap on this forum.

If someone is trying to go around me on the outside and I don't see him and mess up my line I'll correct it and maybe push him out into oncoming traffic. If I alter my line the other way I'll collect the prick on the inside. Either way, a bike/bike collision is a possibility.

All this justifying over/undertaking on corners is complete BS. I hope I never meet any of you tryhards on the road. Ooops, I already have.

As someone said, how much time are you going to make up? One tenth of a second at best to your destination? Or maybe you're all in The Zone and etc etc etc.....

Bullshit to you because you fail to read the posts the way they are intended and then get on here and spout some more bullshit.
Read what people are saying and you might realise we are talking about overtaking safely on corners in the other lane when safe to do so.

If you are going to get online and get all up yourself because you fail to get the intent of what others are talking about, don't even bother posting. Read the bloody posts first before making a prize dick of yourself.