Islamisation

[pete376403]

Bullshit
How many have we let in over the last ten years?
5,000?

You don't invade with 5,000 refugees.
These people are running from hard line regimes and some are in fear of their life, and you say they're invading?
You're a real prince...

I think the original post was more about the mass immigration that is occuring in Britain and Europe, and to a lesser extent Australia.

And now a little light relief...

[Banditbandit]

As long as they assimilate into the NZ culture (my experience is that Somalian refugees do not assimilate for example), I have no problem

200 years and Pakeha have still not integrated into New Zealand culture ... sounds like a very familiar complaint right there ...

[Banditbandit]

They where, born in NZ, and I always feel a little jealous that they had a rich culture, and our Kiwi culture is that we "have no culture" (we actually don't, compared to almost every other nation)

Cheez Wayne, what are ya ? What a load of cods-wallop. You're a bit of a dag to sprout that ... you could blow me down with a feather ... the country's chock-a-block with culture .. and we're all pretty chuffed about it ... chrikey dick, our culture is what the Poms and Yanks tiki-tour around gawking at ... some of the culturati would throw a hissy fit and have ya guts for garters for saying that ... just 'cause it's pissing down out there you don't need to pack a sad ...

We have a strong and vibrant culture, with a distinct use of the English Language, a distinct quisine, distinct patterns of socal behaviours ... ask any foreigner who has moved here and had to adapt to fit in ...

[MisterD]

In the usual sense, by force of arms, Islamists haven't invaded lately,

Perhaps you would like to consider how many of the Taliban types in Afganistan are actually locals? They're overwhelmingly foreign fighters from places like Saudi Arabia and Birmingham. I'm sure we all remember the reports of the Taliban fighter with the Aston Villa tattoo...?

[R-Soul]

Here's another one but it doesn't support the case your trying to present


Where you having a bad night??

Alright, I apologise if I sounded sarcastic in the extreme - but really, how else do you interpret "They are shown to have mass prayer sessions Midday and at sunset (ish)?" straight after you say that they are portrayed as nut jobs? How is that being strange or nut-jobby? If they are spiritual persons, then good on them. It probably makes more sense than train spotting.


I interpreted your remarks as a person who had not fully applied their mind, and was basically stating that it was right to be afraid of that which they did not understand or weren't familiar with. A normal human reaction, but an incorrect one, and a reaction that we should have enough intelligence to overcome.

[R-Soul]

I'm not throwing rocks at any one and was very careful not to do so?

Well you want them to have amass uprising and chuck out their extremist leaders who give their religion a bad name. So what is stopping us from chucking out our leaders that are invading countries and causing misery on a huge scale, and giving Christians a bad name.

[R-Soul]

They where, born in NZ, and I always feel a little jealous that they had a rich culture, and our Kiwi culture is that we "have no culture" (we actually don't, compared to almost every other nation)

As an immmigrant, it has been quite an education for me that NZ is very much a land of immigrants. While the "standard" kiwi culture is the white suburban "have a nice day" culture, with a bit of the Maori influence, its pretty clear that when you walk around the main cities, there is a large mix of cultures.

The interesting thing is that the standard white Kiwi culture is typically very tolerant. BECAUSE of this tolerance, there has been assimilation of the immigrants to be pretty similar in culture.

However, as more and more immigrants move in, people start becoming more aware of increased competition for jobs, houses, etc, then fear kicks in, and hate starts to take over where tolerance once lived. This increased competition and hate speech then makes the cultures take a step back from each other, and become more wary, and less tolerant. And because the cultures spend less time together, the assimilation slows.

You cannot FORCE people to assimilate - you can only welcome them in, make friends with them , and encourage them to do so. You respect people because they are human, nt because they are your ethnicity.

We need to recognise that the strength in our NZ society comes from the wide variety of cultures and traditions that it nurtures. Each needs to be respected and to respect each other. Not feared because we dont understand it. Education is key here.

The Amercians used to treasure their variety and solidarity of nations within their society. But 9/11 and one idiot politician (with similar thoughts to the ACT party) that responded to it badly put paid to that, and now the US sounds like it is closer to a police state, based on fear and mistrust. They could not win votes on good givernance, so they won votes on fear.

[avgas]

200 years and Pakeha have still not integrated into New Zealand culture.

Or perhaps the culture is a changing? and the integrated ones are called kiwi's?

[Banditbandit]

Or perhaps the culture is a changing? and the integrated ones are called kiwi's?

Ka kōrero koe tēnā kōrero i te reo o te whenua? Kaori ? Ka whakaaro ahau, kaori i whakauru nga "kiwis".

[rustyrobot]

Ka kōrero koe tēnā kōrero i te reo o te whenua? Kaori ? Ka whakaaro ahau, kaori i whakauru nga "kiwis".

Ae, tika tōu kōrero! Pera hoki tōku whakaaro. Ko tō rātou tikanga anake te tikanga pai ki a rātou? Ko wai i tu ki te kōrero 'kotahi te tangata i te whenua ne"? Ko John Key? Ehara au i te tangata rite tonu ki a ia!

[Swoop]

You should see what the tallitubbies are doing to the locals in Afganistan...
Real nice people who need a high-speed injection of 5.56.

August 25, 2010: In Mogadishu, fighting over the last three days has left several hundred dead or wounded. Al Shabaab has declared this their latest offensive, but Ugandan peacekeepers, enraged over the al Shabaab terrorist attacks in the Ugandan capital last month, are increasingly aggressive in their attacks on the Islamic terrorists. Al Shabaab is energized by foreign Islamic terrorists, and recruits and cash from expatriate Somalis who want peace at any price in their homeland. Al Shabaab promises peace in the form of a religious dictatorship and a harsh Islamic conservative lifestyle, imposed by force. Al Shabaab has accepted the fact that it cannot defeat trained soldiers, like the AU (African Union) peacekeepers. So the Islamic terrorists are depending on suicide bombers, mortar attacks and roadside bombs to wear the troops down. In the last few weeks, the angry Ugandan troops have pushed al Shabaab out of many areas, so the Islamic terrorists are trying to push back any way they can.
On the Kenyan border, al Shabaab gunmen are increasingly active on the Kenyan border, attempting to intimidate Kenyan border guards, police and soldiers, to stop blocking al Shabaab movement across the border. Al Shabaab also has a network of radical mosques in areas of Nairobi (the Kenyan capital), where young Somalis are taught to admire al Shabaab, it's goals (religious dictatorship) and methods (terrorism). Most Somali refugees want nothing to do with al Shabaab, but Kenyan police are too corrupt to shut down the pro-al Shabaab mosques and schools.

August 24, 2010: Several al Shabaab suicide bombers and gunmen, disguised as Transitional Government soldiers to get past security, shot their way into a well guarded Mogadishu hotel, killing about three dozen people. This included six members of the Transitional Government parliament.

August 22, 2010: About three in the morning, in an area of Mogadishu controlled by the Transitional Government forces, a man working by the side of the road exploded. He was apparently placing a roadside bomb. Later in the day, in a part of the city controlled by al Shabaab, a building used by al Qaeda members exploded. This killed at least ten Islamic terrorists, several of them foreigners (three Pakistanis, two Indians, an Afghan and an Algerian). Apparently a bomb was being built, and mistakes were made.

August 21, 2010: Kenyan police arrested twelve suspected Islamic terrorists on Lemu island, near the coast of Somalia. Three of those arrested were from Somalia, and bomb making equipment was seized as well.

August 20, 2010: Al Shabaab has seized about 200 tons of food aid, and publicly destroyed about ten percent of it, claiming that it was expired. The rest of the stolen food was apparently sold to merchants, or used to feed al Shabaab members and their families. The UN insisted that no expired food was brought to Somalia. Al Shabaab wants foreign aid groups out of the country, as the Islamic terror group sees these NGOs (non-governmental organizations, like the Red Cross) as rivals for the loyalty of Somalis. About a third of the Somali population is dependent on the foreign food aid, and it's unclear what al Shabaab will do when these people begin to die from starvation in large numbers. Most likely, al Shabaab will insure that the foreign media does not see it. That's another reason for getting rid of the NGOs, no foreign witnesses to whatever al Shabaab is doing.

[F5 Dave]

. . . .

For example, if you invite your new neighbor (of middle eastern decent) to a BBQ, and their answer is "No thanks, it's the fast of 1000 Virgins", then you sure as shit are not going to invite them again, are you.... However, if they say "sure, I would love to come, but it is the fast of 1000 virgins, and my family and I will not be able to consume any food, and, by the way, we don't drink alcohol any way, but we will see you and 7pm", . . .

Well if he has a family he & his misus surely aren't part of the 1000. Let the Virgins fast as much as they want & sling a snarler on the barbie cuz.

(yes I know it was fictitious).

[Banditbandit]

Ae, tika tōu kōrero! Pera hoki tōku whakaaro. Ko tō rātou tikanga anake te tikanga pai ki a rātou? Ko wai i tu ki te kōrero 'kotahi te tangata i te whenua ne"? Ko John Key? Ehara au i te tangata rite tonu ki a ia!

E pae ana ki ahau ka panui tō tuhituhi i te reo rangatira. I tērā rau tau i kōrero a Hobson kei Waitangi "He iwi kotahi tatou". He kōrero kē i tēnā wa ... he kōrero kē tonu ... He kōrero o ngā kaipuwhenua anaki .... Ehara he kōrero o nga iwi katoa.

Hei aha ... te Ao hurihuri ... Ka puta ngā tamariki o ngā iwi katoa ia ra ia ra ... Ehara ngā tangata tiriti i whakawhanau ... no reira, e whakanui ana ngā iwi Māori, E whakaiti ngā Pākehā ... Ka wini matou ... I tēnei wa ka heke mai nei ka whakaoranga ngā rangatiratanga o ngā iwi katoa.

[Oscar]

You should see what the tallitubbies are doing to the locals in Afganistan...
Real nice people who need a high-speed injection of 5.56.

August 25, 2010: In Mogadishu, fighting over the last three days has left several hundred dead or wounded. Al Shabaab has declared this their latest offensive, but Ugandan peacekeepers, enraged over the al Shabaab terrorist attacks in the Ugandan capital last month, are increasingly aggressive in their attacks on the Islamic terrorists. Al Shabaab is energized by foreign Islamic terrorists, and recruits and cash from expatriate Somalis who want peace at any price in their homeland. Al Shabaab promises peace in the form of a religious dictatorship and a harsh Islamic conservative lifestyle, imposed by force. Al Shabaab has accepted the fact that it cannot defeat trained soldiers, like the AU (African Union) peacekeepers. So the Islamic terrorists are depending on suicide bombers, mortar attacks and roadside bombs to wear the troops down. In the last few weeks, the angry Ugandan troops have pushed al Shabaab out of many areas, so the Islamic terrorists are trying to push back any way they can.
On the Kenyan border, al Shabaab gunmen are increasingly active on the Kenyan border, attempting to intimidate Kenyan border guards, police and soldiers, to stop blocking al Shabaab movement across the border. Al Shabaab also has a network of radical mosques in areas of Nairobi (the Kenyan capital), where young Somalis are taught to admire al Shabaab, it's goals (religious dictatorship) and methods (terrorism). Most Somali refugees want nothing to do with al Shabaab, but Kenyan police are too corrupt to shut down the pro-al Shabaab mosques and schools.

August 24, 2010: Several al Shabaab suicide bombers and gunmen, disguised as Transitional Government soldiers to get past security, shot their way into a well guarded Mogadishu hotel, killing about three dozen people. This included six members of the Transitional Government parliament.

August 22, 2010: About three in the morning, in an area of Mogadishu controlled by the Transitional Government forces, a man working by the side of the road exploded. He was apparently placing a roadside bomb. Later in the day, in a part of the city controlled by al Shabaab, a building used by al Qaeda members exploded. This killed at least ten Islamic terrorists, several of them foreigners (three Pakistanis, two Indians, an Afghan and an Algerian). Apparently a bomb was being built, and mistakes were made.

August 21, 2010: Kenyan police arrested twelve suspected Islamic terrorists on Lemu island, near the coast of Somalia. Three of those arrested were from Somalia, and bomb making equipment was seized as well.

August 20, 2010: Al Shabaab has seized about 200 tons of food aid, and publicly destroyed about ten percent of it, claiming that it was expired. The rest of the stolen food was apparently sold to merchants, or used to feed al Shabaab members and their families. The UN insisted that no expired food was brought to Somalia. Al Shabaab wants foreign aid groups out of the country, as the Islamic terror group sees these NGOs (non-governmental organizations, like the Red Cross) as rivals for the loyalty of Somalis. About a third of the Somali population is dependent on the foreign food aid, and it's unclear what al Shabaab will do when these people begin to die from starvation in large numbers. Most likely, al Shabaab will insure that the foreign media does not see it. That's another reason for getting rid of the NGOs, no foreign witnesses to whatever al Shabaab is doing.

Er - that report is about Somali...hint - Afghanistan is on another continent

[Swoop]

Er - that report is about Somali...hint - Afghanistan is on another continent

I know. Al Shabaab is now well set up in Somalia. A lot of the terrorists came out of Afganistan to fight in a new country.
Keep an eye on the islamic radicals in this location... things will get even hotter in Somalia.