Invite - 2nd protest against police pursuits today

[marty]

You're welcome to call it - but that is from a cop. Maybe they change dialect talking to civvys. Its an e-ml not a report... by an MoT who is unhappy about amalgamation.

No need to scream Lurch - you want empirical evidence sources - see post 60. You don't want, find a sand-pit.

FFS - the amalgamation was in 1990 - he needs to move on or fuck off. I said it wasn't a report from a cop.

[marty]

Make it evading dui tests by presumption (?) and automatic higher penalty of not found to be testable within time. Right now the max fine is thousands lower if you decline a test and just get the refusal charge. Reverse that situation. These sorts of things are why heads need to get together.

Did you get that info from your disaffected MoT mate?

A refusal carries the same penalties as eba - refuse a screening test, you'll be arrested on the roadside. refuse the breath test, you go straight to blood. refuse a blood test, you'll be immediately suspended, and charged with refusing, which presumes you blood level is above the limit.

3rd and subsequent refusing carries the same penalties as 3rd and subsequent eba. Impairment driving draws the same penalties.

[Owl]

I don't think anyone has beaten my record yet for the most red rep in one post. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes and how long did it take you to retaliate? By the time you got to me, your red was only worth 1 point.

I laughed so hard, I nearly bought a round of drinks....................nearly!

[BoristheBiter]

It wouldn't have happened with a chase on tail in many places so the odds of intersection running would lower. 30 seconds is a long time in a chase, I'd rather wait for the coroners and other reports to hear details before judging. Regardless if the cop acted within rules if a chase was on that would not have been sanctioned as the wisest move in many places. If he just turned then quit when the guy ran that's ok in my book, also ok if he chased because the policy or work environment not the individual is wrong.

E-ml from anon long standing cop visiting CHCH received by me 2 August. I have others similar, a wee collection I'd really like to turn over to an inquiry. Its not my 6th sense why I've been screaming about chases for years - I represent good cops who can't shout out.

Subject - pursuit crash;

"...around 2am on Sun 28 Feb I went to a 24 x 7 restaurant called "Dennys" in the city, on the corner of Moorhouse Ave and Manchester Street (where the media release says the above crash occurred).

I sat in the restaurant for over an hour eating my "supper" and drinking tea, and I noticed that a Police car must have been parked up somewhere near the Manchester Street/Moorhouse Ave traffic lights. The Police car pulled out onto Manchester Street just before these traffic lights, would switch on the siren and speed off after turning West into Moorhouse Ave on each occasion. In the time I sat there, it pulled out from the same area near these same lights possibly three times, but at least twice (which is why it was memorable).

On each occasion it headed West up Moorhouse Ave and my belief and interpretation at that time, was that this Police Car was waiting to chase cars it wanted to stop by 1. watching out for "suspicious"? cars crossing that junction (ie: cars driving along Moorhouse from East to West) and then 2. Turning onto Moorhouse with siren blazing and accelerating off at speed. Let's just say it appeared to be a "strategic" position to enact this kind of targeting and chasing. Moorhouse Ave is a wide road, with a number of lanes and is a straight road with many sets of lights.

One reason I thought this Police action even more dangerous than other places, was because of the many sets of lights all along Moorhouse Ave.

I was not exactly "monitoring the traffic" of course, but I hadn't noticed any particularly loud / fast driving on Moorhouse preceding these events. It would be interesting to see the logs showing where drivers are physically stopped by the Police on ("Saturday nights") Sunday morning between say 1am and 4am in Christchurch. I believe the vicinity of Moorhouse Ave and Manchester Street will focus strongly.

In the situation above, if the actual crash occurred at the junction of Moorhouse Ave and Manchester Street, that would suggest the chase started further away than the area I observed on 28 February".

If your going to make shit up at least make it sound convicing.
this just reaks of made up BS.

[BoristheBiter]

FFS - the amalgamation was in 1990 - he needs to move on or fuck off. I said it wasn't a report from a cop.

I have just figured it out.
Candor is the old Mot cop, thats why it all sounds made up.

[Rogue Rider]

1. Police should be scrutinized for more than one brain cell pre employment.
2. Police should have at least half a personality.
3. Police should not be gym grunters.
4. Police should be made to drive Lada patrol cars.
5. Police should Have a zero crash record, never had a speeding ticket, never drink alcohol, and know how to tie their own shoe laces.
6. Police should know how to count past 10 without using their fingers.
7. Police should do an apprenticeship, (prospect) of at least 2 years before they patch up.
8. Police should also have mandatory motorcycle patrol period of at least 6 months, as well as rider education.
9. Police should be taught customer service and have to pass a practical test.
10. Police should have regular tests on customer relations and public relations. They should be taught a vocabulary of more definition than a 1980's Rugby Captain.

Police should know how to play nice. Perhaps if they showed respect, respect would be given. That Nupty on TV the other night who declared that police should be willfully respected, should move to Russia or China where communism is accepted.
It is possible to be in law enforcement and be respected, but respect is earned not a right. When police learn and understand that they need to earn the publics trust, and maintain it, then perhaps they will get some credibility.
The attitude of police as a whole, even as documented on TV shows them to be arrogant, power hungry, impersonal, uncompassionate grovelers. To ticket someone for the sake of issuing a ticket over education never works and never will. All it does is build contempt.
Yes Police need to issue tickets, however it shouldn't be a compulsion, and there should be discretion. I understand that they would need to be taught how to make decisions, but if they recruited better quality officers, perhaps we would have a better service.
I have met only a handful of polite officers in my lifetime, excluding the MOT guys, who were flamin legends back in the day but put out to pasture.

[SMOKEU]

Yes and how long did it take you to retaliate? By the time you got to me, your red was only worth 1 point.

I laughed so hard, I nearly bought a round of drinks....................nearly!

About 5 days from memory.

[candor]

Look it up or I will later. Killing or is it injuring under influence max fine 20g and if you do the same but declined test max fine 10g. Going on memory but thats the jist - its in the act.

[Forum Ninja]

Too much text to bother reading. Anyone give me the highlights?

From what I did see, are you protesting to stop police pursuits? So if you do something wrong all you have to do is keep moving and you'll never get caught! Awesome! Or perhaps, just a bit dumb. If you do a runner then it's your choice, so take responsibility for your actions.

[BoristheBiter]

Look it up or I will later. Killing or is it injuring under influence max fine 20g and if you do the same but declined test max fine 10g. Going on memory but thats the jist - its in the act.

What are you talking about now?
I think you need to go and look at the land transport act.
You can Google it so you won't even have to go outside.

[candor]

This is so boring & juvey. It is not made up Boris. I'd rather shoot myself than waste hours doing forgeries - my names not Helen - I spent my time meeting a constitutional lawyer to check the Police Ministers frailties, not googling today. Which means you owe me an apology for your sadomasochistic commentary, or karma will follow you like a mad dog. I will shortly be meeting with the sender of the e-ml which I fail to understand why its excited anyone, and will then be able to learn their full Police or (as you'd have it) Police impersonator history. Normally when ppl e-mail I don't ask for a scan of their badge.

[candor]

Too much text to bother reading. Anyone give me the highlights?

From what I did see, are you protesting to stop police pursuits?

To stop Police pursuits over trivia like mainly traffic offences - as per the Police complaints authority recommendation which Police like most other IPCA recommendations on many issues like dog bites have flagrantly ignored. Per legal advice the Minister has respoinsibility for standards and as IPCA reports to Ministers who're responsible to maintain standards, the excuse of not interfering with operations doesn't wash legally speaking. Thats all I'll say for now as things are in motion.

[marty]

The only thing that should be in motion are your lithium tablets being couriered from the chemist

[marty]

Look it up or I will later. Killing or is it injuring under influence max fine 20g and if you do the same but declined test max fine 10g. Going on memory but thats the jist - its in the act.

there's ways and means.....

3 Who must give blood specimen in hospital or surgery

• (1) A person who is under examination, care, or treatment in a hospital or doctor's surgery must permit a blood specimen to be taken from the person by—
  
  • (a) the medical practitioner who is in immediate charge of the examination, care, or treatment of the person; or
  
  
  
  • (b) another medical practitioner or a medical officer.
  
  
  (2) If a person under examination, care, or treatment in a hospital or doctor's surgery is unconscious, a blood specimen may be taken from the person under this section by—
  
  
  • (a) the medical practitioner who is in immediate charge of the examination, care, or treatment of the person; or
  
  
  
  • (b) another medical practitioner or a medical officer.
  
  
  (3) The medical practitioner who is in immediate charge of the examination, care, or treatment of the person in a hospital or doctor's surgery—
  
  
  • (a) may cause a blood specimen to be taken by another medical practitioner or a medical officer; and
  
  
  
  • (b) must either take a blood specimen or cause a blood specimen to be taken by another medical practitioner or a medical officer, if an enforcement officer requests him or her to do so,—
  
  whether or not the person has consented to the taking of the specimen and whether or not the person is capable of giving consent.
• and:

Despite subsection (3)(b), a blood specimen may be taken under any provision of this section only if the medical practitioner—

• (a) has reasonable grounds to suspect that the person is in the hospital or doctor's surgery as a result of—
  
  
  • (i) an accident or incident involving a motor vehicle:
  
  
  
  • (ii) an injury or a medical condition arising subsequent to an accident or incident involving a motor vehicle; and

• (b) has examined the person and is satisfied that the taking of the blood specimen would not be prejudicial to the person's proper care or treatment; and

• (c) tells the person (unless the person is unconscious) that the blood specimen is being or was taken under this section for evidential purposes.

[Toaster]

Yeah, No.

As has been stated, it's not the cops chasing that're killing people, it's the morons running.

Exactly. Many in this country need to learn both some self and social responsiblilty and stop being so damn selfish.

People should stop blaming the police from trying to do their best to deal with scum that break the law and start having a go at the muppets that run and put us all at risk.

Bring back the moving block.