Good assessment: I agreeOriginally Posted by shrub
"channellling the Pleideans"
Good assessment: I agree
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
Hardcore Biker
been away for weekend just got home. Glad to hear all peoples ok. sorry to hear about all the damage. Have kids and grandchildren in kaiapoi, they are going back home today. big job ahead and no doubt the emotional aftershocks will be hitting home very soon.
Handlebar Nutta!
For some that were close to the wire this may have bought on what was going to happen anyway without sounding harsh.
No one was killed, NO 1, only injuries which is simply amazing in itself.
So with that in mind given the kingpin hit that Canterbury has had and the fact that the event has happened regardless there is now a golden opportunity to revamp the city and surrounding areas.
This will filter money through to the working man and woman and will help pull Chch out of the recession.
I hope people find it in their hearts to find the positives that will come from this recognizing the initial hard times of early repair and making people safe in homes.
All my family are there and are ok, bro is in Kaiapoi which looks like WW3, again Kaiapoi has a glowing chance to give the place a facelift and modernization which can never be a bad thing.
This event HAS happened nothing will change that but the people now have an opportunity to make something of it in a positive way.
Cheers Andi & Ellen
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Forum whore
If any affected members need anything I can supply, as per my sig. I'll do my best to get it for you as cheaply as possible. Ask me for a price if you are shopping around.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Rolling Italian Orchestra
Edbear that's very nice of you.
We're luckier than others, our house is liveable but has suffered foundation / structure damage however.
Minutes after the quake and making my way to the garage to grab a radio with batteries for the family, I opened the garage door up and found 46 litres of wine and beer all over the floor.
2x4 along with the other normal renovation materials all over the show, me bikes on it's side with timber and all sorts of shit sitting on top of her..... farkk
She sitting on it's side with both it's front and rear stands still attached, Knocked over on her side, must've taken some force.
Still all in all I consider we were so lucky and feel for others far worse off than we are.
L'arte italiana cammina su due rotelle!
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
I am no expert but
Don't shelter under the door-frames.
That's a fallacy we were taught at school. Most studies have long since shown that most people who are hurt are got by falling stuff & glass. Under a sturdy table or at worst tucked close to something that will take the hit & hopefully allow you to crawl out if major damage.
hope all youse guys are ok & can get your life back in order shortly.
And make some water storage outside if you can. Change it every 6 months. Super cheap sell big water jerry cans. Buy a few.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
Funny you should mention that . This is the contents of an email I recieved . Was going to post it on KB last thursday. Bit late now.
: FW: Earthquake advice: Sure goes against everything I've been taught!
Maybe for discussion at group - one persons view
EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"
My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of
the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most
experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save
lives in an earthquake.
I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue
teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries,
and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries...
I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years.
I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except
for simultaneous disasters.
The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico
City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk.
Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could
have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was
obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the
aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide
under something.
Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings
falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects,
leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the
"triangle of life." The larger the object, the stronger, the less it
will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the
greater the probability that the person who is using this void for
safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed
buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They
are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a
collapsed building.
TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY
1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS
COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like
desks or cars, are crushed..
2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal
position. You should too in an earthquake . . . It is a natural
safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get
next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that
will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.
3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in
during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of
the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival
voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated,
crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks.
Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete
slabs.
4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs,
simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed.
Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply
by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling
occupants to lie down on the floor next to the bottom of the bed
during an earthquake.
5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by
getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal
position next to a sofa or large chair.
6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings
collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the
doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling
above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the
doorway. In either case, you will be killed!
7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment
of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the
building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump
into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place.
The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the
stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't
collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of
the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by
the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing
people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest
of the building is not damaged.
8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If
Possible--It is much better to be near the outside of the building
rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside
perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape
route will be blocked.
9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road
above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is
exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz
Freeway . .. . The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed
inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have
easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their
vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able
to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed
cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had
columns fall directly across them.
10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper
offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not
compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.
Spread the word and save someone's life . . . The Entire world is
experiencing natural calamities so be prepared!
"We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly"
In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be
correct. T he Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University
of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this
practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20
mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten
mannequins I used in my “triangle of life" survival method. After the
simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and
entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in
which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable,
scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there
would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover.
There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people
using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by
millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe,
and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program
Real TV ]
Sir Cumference
Wow. They're all so lucky, eh?
Can I believe the magic of your size... (The Shirelles)
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Good post Doc. As I said I'm not an expert, this guy obviously is. That has expanded my understanding further.
Curled up & next to an object rather than under it, as if the legs of said object give way you will be crushed.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Handlebar Nutta!
That is fine comparing America however building systems in NZ are quite different, at every opening in a timber framed house we have a stud and an opening stud which the lintel sits on.
If you are in the center of a building then this IS a good place to be, the triangle of life is still a better option IF available but in pitch black and terror things don't always go the way you planned over a few drinks as to "what you would do".
Best thing to do is simply get clear of the building if you can, sometimes easier said than done.
Cowboyz has good points, people who aren't insured still get covered, that make the rest of us "sponsors" pretty dumb eh.
Virago, remember that these posts are in hindsight for which everyone is an expert after the event, remember everything has a silver lining and the makeover and modernization that will occur as well as employment opportunities are great, you can't change the past but you sure as hell can change the future and be in it.
Cheers Andi & Ellen
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NEDWN VIII
A group of students are out there doing it, good on them!
Spades/Shovels in hand, about 200 students through that facebook thing.
Could all those bricks lying around be used to fill the ground cracks around the place?
Forum whore
I posted this earlier, but I'll say it again.
Napier looks cool coz it got built all in one style after the '31 quake.
I hope Chch does the right thing, and doesn't let bloody property development leeches build lots of glass eyesores to replace the heritage we have lost.
Harumph.
FUN LOVIN CRIMINAL
Interesting post of Doc's but having just been thru it, most of what's worded there is contrived of experience of afterwards, not actually being in a quake, just visions of sights experienced after the event.
I like the roll out of bed piecefark-off you get thrown from your bed into a mass of debris of what used to be items that had locations around the room, there's no order to what is or any resemblence of what was. Instinct kicks in and you bail to the safest place you can find navigating a crazyhouse in the pitch black
HOT!
I was thrown from my bed,couldnt stay upright to get to my door initially so tried to get under my bed...Interesting post of Doc's but having just been thru it, most of what's worded there is contrived of experience of afterwards, not actually being in a quake, just visions of sights experienced after the event.
I like the roll out of bed pieceonly an 8'' gap so I didnt fit!The noise was horrifically loud,chimneys crashing thru the roof,furniture and things breaking.
My friend & boarder Meg was in the upstairs bedroom at the back of my house
I truly thought the back of the house would be gone & she was dead.When I was able to wrench my door open,stagger thru the debris and call out and hear Meg answer.....that was the most amazing thing,a huge relief!We were alive & so was Kiri my dog
Cogito ergo zoom
About that earthquake email & triangle of life. The NZ earthquake commission, or whatever they are called, took out ads in the newspapers a few months ago and SPECIFICALLY referred to this email and said to disregard it. That the advice was BAD.
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