Pipes - Loud or loser?

[Maha]

hmmm, interesting design, keeps it nice a uncluttered, is that also one of the ducs witht he springless valves? also wouldn't the engine fill up with water if you parked it in the rain?

Not at all, you can buy 'Can Clamps' for any good Motorbike outlet.
Same principle effect as those nose clamps synchronised swimmers use.

[DMNTD:Me]

hmmm, interesting design, keeps it nice a uncluttered, is that also one of the ducs witht he springless valves? also wouldn't the engine fill up with water if you parked it in the rain?

It's a $130,000 bike...best not to park it anywhere out of site let alone in the rain

[bogan]

If you park one of those in the rain you are a re-tard.

The design was ostentatiously meant to reduce the turbulent flow/low pressure area behind the rider by injecting the exhaust gas into the partial vacuum.

haha, yeh, but plenty of them about. Pretty intelligent design theory, kinda like the bike with the radiator air tube going front to back, hotter air exiting actually developed a minute amount of thrust iirc. Though seems neither have caught on...

[pzkpfw]

The design was ostentatiously meant to reduce the turbulent flow/low pressure area behind the rider by injecting the exhaust gas into the partial vacuum.

ostensibly?

[sAsLEX]

ostensibly?

ostentatiously

1. in an ostentatious manner; extravagantly or flamboyantly


I think I have used it correctly, we are talking about Italians here!

BODTGANZA care to comment?

[scumdog]

ostentatiously

1. in an ostentatious manner; extravagantly or flamboyantly


I think I have used it correctly, we are talking about Italians here!

BODTGANZA care to comment?

An Austin is involved??

[tigertim20]

Got a poll running on the KR site on loud pipes:
Do loud pipes save lives?

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.co...yes-or-no.html

I used to think loud pipes were good, but I have changed my mind on that.
funny thing is, you get people who say 'loud pipes save me, make me get noticed', but when you suggest to them that if being visible and safe is a big factor to them, 99% wil say they won't wear a fluro vest.. hmm, doesnt really make sense does it?
Most people just want a louder bike, and a reason to justify it. I like a louder pipe, provided it acually has a nice note to it, otherwise its just fuckin noise pollution, but I dont try to justify it by saying it'll save me

[sAsLEX]

I used to think loud pipes were good, but I have changed my mind on that.
funny thing is, you get people who say 'loud pipes save me, make me get noticed', but when you suggest to them that if being visible and safe is a big factor to them, 99% wil say they won't wear a fluro vest.. hmm, doesnt really make sense does it?
Most people just want a louder bike, and a reason to justify it. I like a louder pipe, provided it acually has a nice note to it, otherwise its just fuckin noise pollution, but I dont try to justify it by saying it'll save me

You are assuming that a fluro vest will make you get seen by ignorant motorists.

[hellokitty]

You are assuming that a fluro vest will make you get seen by ignorant motorists.

I have a rather loud bike and I wear bright pink and I am still invisible......... I have less pedestrians stepping out in front of me since I had the pipes debaffled but the fact is that some still walk in front of me!!!!!
And as for cars.......

[tigertim20]

true enough, but aren't most bikes louder than car by nature anyway? surely the number of pedestrians likely to walk out in front of a bike would have been thinned out by quiet cars a bit first?

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If you are suggesting that the reason bikes are louder is for a saftey issue, I doubt it, not sure if you are saying that or not. While by law the decibel limit is higher for a bike than it is for a car, I think you will find that that is more because of the limitations on length of the exhaust, i.s. bike exhausts are much shorter than car ones

You are assuming that a fluro vest will make you get seen by ignorant motorists.

No, No I am not. not even a little bit. What I am saying is this:
People who argue FOR loud pipes, are generally doing so, with the argument that it increases their safety, by increasing other peoples awareness of their presence. Their basic argument is that it helps a little, and if it helps even a little it is worth doing.
That same argument applies to fluro. yes it will make you a tad more visible, but the majority of motorists are, as you say, ignorant.
That ignorance extends to audible cues as much as it does visible ones, thus making the argument ultimately invalid.

Two other points, 1), look at cars nowadays, most of them are quiet enough that, unless raping it, you cant even hear your own engine, sound deadening and other technology seals the vehicle, reducing the drivers experience of external noise pullution, so that their air con and premium stereo package can be used to their full effect while driving.

2nd), Often people point out that emergency vehicles use both noise (sirens) as well as visual cues (flashing lights) to warn drivers effectively of their approach, whichever direction they may be approaching from. Pro loud pipes types use this as an argument, but there are two problems. Firstly, the sirens on emergency vehicles are facing forwards, and secondly, the type of pitch or tone used in the sirens, is of a nature that pierces through the air, and your car, and your helmet, so that it can be clearly heard from a distance. Bike exhausts do not come even close to being of a like pitch or tone, so untill they do, (and they face forwards, allowing your own newly created carbon dioxide to billow through your helmet putting you to sleep anyway...) there is no reason to justify excessively loud pipes.

[Oakie]

The question on the poll asked whether they added a safety aspect.

They may add a safety aspect but only if the user forgets the pipes and doesn't consider them as adding a safety aspect. Sort of like dont put on your headlight and ride without caution expecting that everyone will see you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

We have discussed this topic at length in the MAG forum and the general consensus is no.
From personal experience, I dont even hear a bike until the chick riding it is along side me.
Visual wins everytime over sound where this is concerned.

is she topless?

[avgas]

Loud bikes save lives as many as loud horns do too...... so there!!

Most likely.
Fuck buying a loud horn though. May as well buy a vespa at the same time.

[george formby]

They are not as effective as a white fairing with chevrons & a bright yellow safety jacket. Looking like a cop is the ultimate for being noticed.

[Big Dave]

They are not as effective as a white fairing with chevrons & a bright yellow safety jacket. Looking like a cop is the ultimate for being noticed.

I rented a white ST1100 once - PITA. Didn't need hi vis gear. Everyone slows down in front of you anyway.