My communication about the set of "draft" rules released a while back

[Mom]

Hope that explains a little for you MUM

Thank you, and yes a bit clearer. So reading a bit more today, one thing I wonder, are these rule changes internationally driven? In other words, are we just changing to align with other international racing bodies rules, or is it a local initiative? Who is actually driving these changes?

Have these rule changes been rushed?

[CHOPPA]

Thank you, and yes a bit clearer. So reading a bit more today, one thing I wonder, are these rule changes internationally driven? In other words, are we just changing to align with other international racing bodies rules, or is it a local initiative? Who is actually driving these changes?

Have these rule changes been rushed?

I would be one of the very few that intents to race in OZ and these rules dont line up. Ill be racing Superstock in OZ but my bike is not superstock spec in NZ and we cant make it Superbike spec in NZ or it wont be Superstock spec for OZ.

[Mom]

I would be one of the very few that intents to race in OZ and these rules dont line up. Ill be racing Superstock in OZ but my bike is not superstock spec in NZ and we cant make it Superbike spec in NZ or it wont be Superstock spec for OZ.

That seems silly though. Surely it would be sensible to align NZ with the rest of the world? We are not unknown for producing world class, championship winning riders afterall. So, the question begs to be asked, what/who is driving these rule changes, and for what purpose?

[Kickaha]

That seems silly though. Surely it would be sensible to align NZ with the rest of the world?

Not if it adds a lot of expense to local racing when very few will race anywhere outside of NZ

[Mom]

Not if it adds a lot of expense to local racing when very few will race anywhere outside of NZ

Okay, so now it becomes clearer.

Are these proposed rule changes "that" far away from international standards?

Do we need to have "international standards" as the bottom line in our own competitions?

If we dont, how are we to grow our young up and coming?

Are the proposed standards going to rule out the ordinary (my apologies too btw, no offense intended) bloke/blokesses from competing?

Dear God, it is a bloody minefield!

[Robert Taylor]

Robert, I have done my normall, and opened my mouth wide again again and again

SO are you prepared to copy us in all the emails you "MIGHT?" have sent around the place that may have a part in this hold up that you refer to as "Disrespectfull and playing with peoples lives" ?

Some one has unfortunately been out of order and named a manufacturer that wanted differenet to what was current, and me being me, I named them, glad I am an old man, and not wanting to maybe race one of there bikes one day.

I am sure you have the support behind you regarding the Quality of your product, ( Which Ohlin;s is good) but it must be time to copy us all in on your email trails about this subjest, or is that Confidentuall, ( I do appreciate that as the main Ohlin's dealer, of course you have direct Contrats with those 3 I Named) to disclose what you may have emailed to the Importers and else where, may shed some light on your posts on here regarding these issues

You know me better than 98% of people on here, and I only shoot from the hip Direct mate, so please amuse me, and break down your " well spoken English" and let the cats actually see your efforts RE the New New Zealand Rule proposals, remembering that all Diatribe sent to the commision, is accessable by any MNZ paid up memebr, by simply asking the MNZ office to supply copies of, once all is finalised, as I believe the Road race Commision is required to hand over all the correspondence regarding there brief.

Any e-mails that I sent that may have ''held up'' the process are arguable in that respect. The reality is it took ages to get to a draft format and myself and another bit player in suspension largely concurred about what was ''a bridge too far''with respect to Superstock ( or should I say Supersilly 600 class ). I responded to requests for input and replied extremely quickly, without exception. As in all fairness so did the other party. Indeed I then found a major flaw in the F3 rules which was an unfortunate paste and copy, but nothing contentious at all to any parties.
The current holdup as I best understand it is almost totally down to one manufacturer who has had very little input into this sport over the years and has made a totally disproportionate noise at ''five minutes to midnight''. If anyone can enlighten all of us otherwise then Id be all ears.
Id love all of my correspondence and replies to be made public as I have absolutely nothing at all to cover up, the sad fact is Id be belying other parties trusts. If all and I mean ALL correspondence was released there would be a handful of people in high places and some industry bit players with major egg on their face, given condescending and patronising remarks, they know who they are .
The reality is the major distributors have had an interest in what transpires but 3 of them have not been trying to manipulate the process at all. Interesting to note that the people within these distributors that get involved in road racing wanted to allow aftermarket suspension in Superstock 600. Glen Williams is right, there isnt / wasnt a lot wrong with last seasons Supersport 600 class. Indeed its interesting also to note that pretty much all the current Supersport 600 riders that I have spoken to have bemoaned the considerable extra cost that will be incurred to try and stay competitive. They also ideally dont want to move to a class where they are not allowed to run aftermarket suspension, its benefits and backup they are so used to. My personal opinion is we dont need to bastardise the sport by having too many classes and the 600 class ( Supersport 600 ) could have been massaged a little by running close to or entirely 600 Superstock motor regs.
As for being similiar to Australia thats in reality a load of bollocks and I have stated my opinion why elsewhere.
Arguably the more recent MX Nationals have suffered similiar issues to the Road Race Nationals. Nationals are run between 2 Islands and at the latter rounds the field can thin out considerably. Predominantly why? Because of the cost of travel, accomodation, time away from work etc. NOT primarily machine cost, MX bikes are a lot cheaper to run, for most.
In both road racing and MX winter club events and regional meetings are all extremely well patronised, and the regs are quite open. I think theres a message in that.

We are 1/4 of the way through September, the situation that prevails is disgraceful.

[Ivan]

Okay, so now it becomes clearer.

Are these proposed rule changes "that" far away from international standards?

Do we need to have "international standards" as the bottom line in our own competitions?

If we dont, how are we to grow our young up and coming?

Are the proposed standards going to rule out the ordinary (my apologies too btw, no offense intended) bloke/blokesses from competing?

Dear God, it is a bloody minefield!

Theres no reason why a rider can not race his bike here and then say Shit I wanna go to the UK he gets there and buys his own bike over there to there rules and races it,

If a young driver is driven enough to compete overseas they will do what is required not make BSB rules in NZ to make him feel like he is racing at the same level as BSB racing etc,

We need to stop making excuses for us young guys and why we arenot at World Level its the fact we are not getting off our arses and doing it theres no reason why a young rider cant do this ar the fact we are not doing it changing rules to "emulate" a international series still is not going to get him overseas, But a Plane or boat and the will to suceed will

[Mom]

Theres no reason why a rider can not race his bike here and then say Shit I wanna go to the UK he gets there and buys his own bike over there to there rules and races it

Will he be competitive there, coming from our racing rule background though?

[Ivan]

Will he be competitive there, coming from our racing rule background though?

Yes anyone can be competive it depends how hard they try, I am going to be honest I am not the fastest rider out on track actually far from it but I look at the reason Glen beat me by that ammount of time was that ammount of time he tryed that much harder than me if that makes sence?


Our rules are not going to change a thing, I can say right now hoping Shaun can confirm this,
That a bike he races out here in NZ is far different from a bike he racesin the TT etc yet he is still very competive over there

A NZ rider is as competive as any other rider in the world

[Mom]

he tryed that much harder than me if that makes sence?

A NZ rider is as competive as any other rider in the world

Makes perfect sense. I reckon you are dead right too.

As someone said to me this week, I am not sure I can teach raw, natural talent, but I will try.

I guess guts and determination go hand in hand with that too.

[Shaun]

That seems silly though. Surely it would be sensible to align NZ with the rest of the world? We are not unknown for producing world class, championship winning riders afterall. So, the question begs to be asked, what/who is driving these rule changes, and for what purpose?

I see your point, but we are a nation of 4 mill, 1/4 of them are asian imports and Islanders, another 1/4 are children. and another are women, so where does the Interest and ROI for any potentuall sponsors come from to pay for these old class " MALE" world championship contenders, exscuse my break down of our nation, but it is real.

Go back 20 years when the rider callibre you talk of exsisted, money was flowing more freely, and the people that held the money then, were true Kiwi people, Not pretend wanta bees like now, hiding behind a false world of I am the good guy with high morals, farmers were subsidised and spent more at there local bike shops, giving those shops more money/power, to support riders.

I am lucky enough to be 46 years old now, I have the OLD kiwi upbringing in me still ie, " If you want it, go get another job and work harder" we now have a nation of, it wasn't my Fault, I cant, it,s impossible with our youth, and unfortunately, it leads on to the next stage of the dissaster.

Then we get Importers of motorcycles and aftermarket product importers etc fighting about who is write behind closed doors, and the whole plot of the game we all love, gets screwed, MONEY MONEY MONEY and I am correct and you are wrong stands tall once again.

For some reason unbeknown to me, a lot of people tell me stuff that they really should not, they should be mature responsible people, ( Dam that's funny coming from me with NO beer in me) but realy they are just arse lickers that try to impress with the knoledge they have, and get a false hard on from it.

All and both have there opinions which they are entitled to, but at whose exspense, ( The Racer Riders as they cannot plan nor confirm jack shit to any potentuall sponsors) and where and when does the bullshit stop.

We will all see where the Bull shit starts or stops, when all emails and letters are released upon reguest to the MNZ office, which I have requested now that I have renewed my membership to our organsiation.

NO 37 lives to get his arse kicked

[Shaun]

Any e-mails that I sent that may have ''held up'' the process are arguable in that respect. The reality is it took ages to get to a draft format and myself and another bit player in suspension largely concurred about what was ''a bridge too far''with respect to Superstock ( or should I say Supersilly 600 class ). I responded to requests for input and replied extremely quickly, without exception. As in all fairness so did the other party. Indeed I then found a major flaw in the F3 rules which was an unfortunate paste and copy, but nothing contentious at all to any parties.
The current holdup as I best understand it is almost totally down to one manufacturer who has had very little input into this sport over the years and has made a totally disproportionate noise at ''five minutes to midnight''. If anyone can enlighten all of us otherwise then Id be all ears.
Id love all of my correspondence and replies to be made public as I have absolutely nothing at all to cover up, the sad fact is Id be belying other parties trusts. If all and I mean ALL correspondence was released there would be a handful of people in high places and some industry bit players with major egg on their face, given condescending and patronising remarks, they know who they are .
The reality is the major distributors have had an interest in what transpires but 3 of them have not been trying to manipulate the process at all. Interesting to note that the people within these distributors that get involved in road racing wanted to allow aftermarket suspension in Superstock 600. Glen Williams is right, there isnt / wasnt a lot wrong with last seasons Supersport 600 class. Indeed its interesting also to note that pretty much all the current Supersport 600 riders that I have spoken to have bemoaned the considerable extra cost that will be incurred to try and stay competitive. They also ideally dont want to move to a class where they are not allowed to run aftermarket suspension, its benefits and backup they are so used to. My personal opinion is we dont need to bastardise the sport by having too many classes and the 600 class ( Supersport 600 ) could have been massaged a little by running close to or entirely 600 Superstock motor regs.
As for being similiar to Australia thats in reality a load of bollocks and I have stated my opinion why elsewhere.
Arguably the more recent MX Nationals have suffered similiar issues to the Road Race Nationals. Nationals are run between 2 Islands and at the latter rounds the field can thin out considerably. Predominantly why? Because of the cost of travel, accomodation, time away from work etc. NOT primarily machine cost, MX bikes are a lot cheaper to run, for most.
In both road racing and MX winter club events and regional meetings are all extremely well patronised, and the regs are quite open. I think theres a message in that.

We are 1/4 of the way through September, the situation that prevails is disgraceful.

"QUOTE" ---- Id love all of my correspondence and replies to be made public as I have absolutely nothing at all to cover up

Do it then, you have them all saved on your computor or copies of letters in your office.

Re the 2 bit suspension man, he took a CHAMPIONSHIP of you

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"arguable in that respect" everything you type/say is, but never with back up, kind of like me really, I just mouth off and argue for a laugh a lot, as I have no friends nor private life

Superstock "silly class"

If people want to spend there OWN money on racing that class with STD suspension and end up trashing tyres and crashing, that is there fault there choice, why must you go round and round about it, actually a good sales man, only sells/promotes his own product, does not need to trash others


"We are 1/4 of the way through September, the situation that prevails is disgraceful.[/QUOTE"

You/CKT/ Ohlin's, is actually a major part to do with this problem, so why keep pushing the barrow with a flat tyre, the egg will start flowing in the wrong direcrtion given enough time

[Robert Taylor]

"QUOTE" ---- Id love all of my correspondence and replies to be made public as I have absolutely nothing at all to cover up

Do it then, you have them all saved on your computor or copies of letters in your office.

Re the 2 bit suspension man, he took a CHAMPIONSHIP of you

Quote

"arguable in that respect" everything you type/say is, but never with back up, kind of like me really, I just mouth off and argue for a laugh a lot, as I have no friends nor private life

Superstock "silly class"

If people want to spend there OWN money on racing that class with STD suspension and end up trashing tyres and crashing, that is there fault there choice, why must you go round and round about it, actually a good sales man, only sells/promotes his own product, does not need to trash others


"We are 1/4 of the way through September, the situation that prevails is disgraceful.[/QUOTE"

You/CKT/ Ohlin's, is actually a major part to do with this problem, so why keep pushing the barrow with a flat tyre, the egg will start flowing in the wrong direcrtion given enough time

You are entitled to your interpretation but I am not going to belie a trust, simple.

Given that you have not seen all the correspondence your statement that I am a major part of the delay has no hard evidence to support it. Like I said if all the correspondence is released I have nothing to be afraid of. Simple and not worth an argument.

[Ozzy27]

Here is my opinion on this whole mess!!

I believe that the proposed rules have been sent to and fro from the importers 3 times with amendments!
I am sorry but Motorcycle Road racing in NZ is a COMPETITOR SPORT!! Anyone who thinks it is a corporate sport of any type is delusional!!
At last years National Championship there were 5 supported Superbikes and 3 Maybe 4 Supported 600's will any on the rule changes make it any different this year No!!!
I thought the reason behind all the changes was to get more bikes on the Grid?
The distributors will support the number of bikes they feel is of benefit to them and no more no less!! Is this going to increase numbers??? I think not and until the organising body starts to base rules around the average NZ racer nothing will change!
I put large amounts of time and money into this sport and it still seems that unless you are part of the old boy’s network you views are not as important!
Can anyone please tell me how the road race commission was formed? What process was followed to select the people that were on it? No one has been able to inform me of this and I also can’t see how this fit in with the MNZ constitution that states we should have elected a commissioner at the conference?
The Next part is we should be talking about rules for the 2011/2012 seasons not the up coming one! If the proposed rules for 600 supersports go through it is going to be very difficult to get engines built for 2 reasons. 1) Time available to build and develop 2) parts availability Yamaha only take orders for kit parts twice a year with up to a 3 month delivery time! Honda and Suzuki have a similar production schedule if they are out of stock nothing will be here in time.
I must say I am very disillusioned with the state of things here and have very seriously thought about having a bike based in Aussie and just flying over there for race meetings (Not saying everything is perfect over there either).

My Question is when are we as the people who are the sport in NZ (riders, enthusiasts and Supporters) Going to come up with a group that can put our views together and let the governing body know what we want? I know it has been tried a few times but to me here is the perfect time to get a Riders/ Teams association formed as was mooted by Shaun a few years ago. So we get a say on things not just a bunch of corporates who will only ever have the own interests in mind when making OUR rules!

[Shaun]

Here is my opinion on this whole mess!!

I believe that the proposed rules have been sent to and fro from the importers 3 times with amendments!
I am sorry but Motorcycle Road racing in NZ is a COMPETITOR SPORT!! Anyone who thinks it is a corporate sport of any type is delusional!!
At last years National Championship there were 5 supported Superbikes and 3 Maybe 4 Supported 600's will any on the rule changes make it any different this year No!!!
I thought the reason behind all the changes was to get more bikes on the Grid?
The distributors will support the number of bikes they feel is of benefit to them and no more no less!! Is this going to increase numbers??? I think not and until the organising body starts to base rules around the average NZ racer nothing will change!
I put large amounts of time and money into this sport and it still seems that unless you are part of the old boy’s network you views are not as important!
Can anyone please tell me how the road race commission was formed? What process was followed to select the people that were on it? No one has been able to inform me of this and I also can’t see how this fit in with the MNZ constitution that states we should have elected a commissioner at the conference?
The Next part is we should be talking about rules for the 2011/2012 seasons not the up coming one! If the proposed rules for 600 supersports go through it is going to be very difficult to get engines built for 2 reasons. 1) Time available to build and develop 2) parts availability Yamaha only take orders for kit parts twice a year with up to a 3 month delivery time! Honda and Suzuki have a similar production schedule if they are out of stock nothing will be here in time.
I must say I am very disillusioned with the state of things here and have very seriously thought about having a bike based in Aussie and just flying over there for race meetings (Not saying everything is perfect over there either).

My Question is when are we as the people who are the sport in NZ (riders, enthusiasts and Supporters) Going to come up with a group that can put our views together and let the governing body know what we want? I know it has been tried a few times but to me here is the perfect time to get a Riders/ Teams association formed as was mooted by Shaun a few years ago. So we get a say on things not just a bunch of corporates who will only ever have the own interests in mind when making OUR rules!

Well put fello old boy