Forum whore
Yes actually "doesnt matter" was not the correct phrase.Originally Posted by T.G.W
I guess that my view is that as the technology for ANPR etc becomes available, it lends itself very nicely to tolling and so on, so those things will ensure its adoption.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Forum whore
The entire world is not as well organised as the tiny little bit you keep your mind in.
In the real world, Mum does not always know which of the kids has the car. The kids don't know which of their mates has borrowed it to go to the shops. The boss doesn't know that the work van is doing an unauthorised trip to the pie shop, and I sincerely hope that you keep a diary in case the mechanic doing your oil change takes it for a test run and removes the last points on our licence for you.
You will be fine as long as you can prove he was riding eh !
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Doesn't play well with others
See above regarding a clipboard next to the keys. And if your kids are letting their mates borrow it, just put the points on them for being irresponsible/unwilling to identify the true culprit. And in this situation, you should probably be looking at the larger problem of insurance etc anyway, or rather, the lack thereof (if you've got a fairly normal policy that only covers "named" drivers).
I don't know how slack your excuse for a job is, but if one of our work vehicles got a speeding ticket at 1:30pm, and the vehicle use/petrol hadn't been accounted for, there would be some serious questions being asked.
And it would be a piece of piss to avoid any points on your license for a ticket while it was in for a service, or are you one of the twats who never holds onto any invoices/receipts you receive? If so, then I guess you'd be stuck with the ticket, but hell, you seem to be dumb enough that you probably shouldn't be driving anyway.
Some personal responsibility wouldn't go amiss - though it seems to be a foreign concept to some people.
Anarchic Wild Child
Did they take any notice of all our submissions on the ACC changes ????
NO
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Like that's going to work in many households ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah ... the Twats are probably the majority of the population - not everyone is an organised control freak at home - at work maybe - but not at home ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Den tha thriamvéf̱sei páno̱
For a start - different portfolio, but some would say driven by similar background policy.
Anyway - Can't agree, I know for a fact submissions were taken note of from different sectors and acted on (it was about more than just Motorcycle levies - you do realise?), and that there has been work done.
Regarding motorcycling - Motorcyclists and groups have their foot in the door because of actions, that is quite a significant achievment for the future that seems to be largely unrealised.
Is it really that preposterous of an idea to take some responsibility for the whereabouts of our own vehicles, or who's riding/driving them??
Blimey, not only have I and many others, been on the receiving end of that kind of attitudebut I really do fear what's happening in this country because of it.
Most of our road safety issues are down to all of us as individuals, mostly you can't legislate for it, if we really want to change things - I'd suggest looking into our own backyard is the best place to start.
But of course, that'll never catch on.
ter·ra in·cog·ni·taAchievement is not always success while reputed failure often is. It is honest endeavor, persistent effort to do the best possible under any and all circumstances.
Orison Swett Marden
Rider in training
I'll put my hand up. I want more demerits and less fines. The punishment of a fine varies with your income. Those on a low income are more affected than those on a high income.
Demerits affect everyone the same.
Rider in training
If it's your vehicle, and you don't mind loosing your licence because of other people you have allowed to use the car then it's not an issue. If that is an issue for you then you'll work something out. If you can't be bothered enough to do that then perhaps owning a vehicle to use on NZ's shared public road network is not for you.
But it's a personal choice, so you choose to do whatever you like. No one is going to make you loose your licence in this case unless you *choose* to do nothing about it.
Come on, vehicle owners have to be responsible for their own vehicle. You can't throw up your hands and say it is everyone else's fault.
Rider in training
Or would it be fairer to say that more notice was taken of some other much larger lobby groups, and the bigger groups won?
Hardcore Biker
im in favor of demerits over monetary fines for traffic offences.
then again, im the type of person who gets pinged once every couple of years at most - the demerits dont bother me, cos i know im not enough of a hoon to be in danger of losing my licence. fines piss me off! hah.
i do agree that demerits affect everyone equally though - and even though i have a selfish reason for liking this version of ticketing i think its better overall too.
im not a fan of this speeding carry on however. if it could be proven that doing 111km/hr on average over 5km or w/e was causing a significant number of accidents, then maybe. but i have made far too many trips setting my speed by my own personal standards and the conditions that present themselves to ever believe that 'speed kills'. seems to me its more a case of 'poor choices kill'
i like the above suggestion about dangerous driving and speeding - the guy doing 120-130 in the passing lane to get past the muppets speeding up from 80 to 110 is not hurting anyone! the same guy doing it on a blind corner, is a different story.
Education not Legislation
Watchful Old Bird
After my recent give way experience I'm in favour of Rule .303 fully jacketed.
God's Evil Twin
unfortunately that rule was passed up, your stuck using RPG's or guided missile systems
Science Is But An Organized System Of Ignorance"Pornography: The thing with billions of views that nobody watches" - WhiteManBehindADesk
Rider in training
I agree in that I'm not convinced that "speeding kills" either. If you really agree with that then set the speed limit at zero - and I bet you would find the vast majority of vehicles accidents happened with vehicles exceeding that speed limit.
And that is also the issue with "proof". The authorities can offer you proof that "speeding kills" - in the same way I can offer proof that exceeding a speed limit of zero kills. It's not the limit that is doing the killing.
Forum whore
Lets hope they don't ramp up the costs of track days!
They should just make roads that run alongside normal roads. However on these roads you have no speed limit. What' the cost? No ACC if you crash on these roads (impossible to claim you weren't by adoption of alien tracking technology), no free medical care. You need your own private insurance if you get in the shit. The savings from the road toll would pay for the network pretty soon (ok obviously not every road can be duplicated), tourists would flock for a legal high speed experience (need a special permit) injecting more money into our economy, jobs would be created across a broad spectrum.
It's a goer! Is it too late to add this to the submissions?
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