Is the local economy subsidising farmers?

[JimO]

Of all the things we subsidise in this country methinks farmers are the least of our worries.

all the cunts we pay to stay at home for a start

[spacemonkey]

Look on the bright side; in a few short weeks we will probably have someone brand new to subsidise!
Chinese dairy companys!!!
HOORAY!

There now doesn't that make you all feel better?

[98tls]

all the cunts we pay to stay at home for a start

Actually Jimmy if after accepting payment they would indeed piss off and stay at home it would be well worth the payment.Maybe tacking "fuck off were full" on the bottom of the flag would help though i doubt it.

[p.dath]

Just saw an ad on TV, 2 500g Anchor blocks for $7. At $3.50 per 500g that blows away the UK prices.

The UK price was NZ$3.19 - so that "special" is still more expensive.

[onearmedbandit]

The UK price was NZ$3.19 - so that "special" is still more expensive.

Your quoted price for the UK block is a 250g block, the NZ block is a 500g. Look at the link I posted, it shows a 250g block for one and half pounds, which works out to be about NZ$3.20.

They have a 500g block on their site (the one you linked to yourself) for NZ$5.60. That would have been a better example for you to use. The Woolworths 375g is $5.38 compared to their 500g for $5.60. But even that doesn't matter, as I said earlier I saw two 500g Anchor blocks for $7.

Do you follow?

[doc]

What about the supermarket markups ?

[marty]

It strikes me that the average NZ'er is effectively subsidising the local NZ dairy farmer, by paying such a premium over other countries to buy NZ made products.

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NZ'ers have been subsidising the local farming community for about 100 years. Do some research and you will discover how much govt. funding they have received over the years. Same goes for apples, grapes, avocados, citrus - you name it, it has been subsidised.

Interestingly now though, NZ is one of the loudest proponents AGAINST subsidies - some EU countries provide enormous subsidies to their farming communities (often in the way of fiscal protection) - look at the the reasons French farmers cause public meyhem.

I would rather pay a little more for premium dairy and meat, than get the shit cast off from the export shelf.

[sinfull]

NZ Local economy = farming i would have thought, or have we suddenly become an industrial country ?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i understand dairy farmers are being paid record prices for butter fat (wrong term i know, but ya get the picture) which in turn bumps the price up in the s/markets, but also keeps the farmers pockets lined, which ultimately filters down through into the local economy, IE: Engineers get to fix machines, feed producers get to produce feed, fert companies produce ferts, IT workers get to make programs to optimise feed/fat ratios, who all in turn need more staff which keeps unemployment down !

And the wheels go round and round !

I have a Mate (a farmer) Who milks locally on land that doesn't produce enough feed to make it viable, so they have a feed pad, his feed bill is in the half mill per annum range, he has spent prob a mill or two on machinery in the past ten yrs and upgrading all the time, employs several staff and pumps lots of money into the local economy !
He wonders why he does it because his profit margins are pathetic for the risk he's taking, if the above butter fat prices he gets, take a dive he'll go under !

So in answer to the original question, i'd say yes, if we don't were fucked !

[mashman]

I would rather pay a little more for premium dairy and meat, than get the shit cast off from the export shelf.

If the Silver Fern Farms ad is anything to go by, you've already been buying the "shit cast off from the export shelf" for years ... Silver Fern Farms, the best cuts of lamb, NOW AVAILABLE IN NZ but that's business for ya

[dogsnbikes]

11 years ago we were paying $55nz/kg of beef mince and $5nz for 20 NZ sealord mussels in Switzerland,how the hell does that work.......at the end of the day,we have no competition we are the shit-hole at the bottom of the globe

[Jonno.]

Your quoted price for the UK block is a 250g block, the NZ block is a 500g. Look at the link I posted, it shows a 250g block for one and half pounds, which works out to be about NZ$3.20.

They have a 500g block on their site (the one you linked to yourself) for NZ$5.60. That would have been a better example for you to use. The Woolworths 375g is $5.38 compared to their 500g for $5.60. But even that doesn't matter, as I said earlier I saw two 500g Anchor blocks for $7.

Do you follow?

Are we looking at the same link?

UK:
Butter 500gm - 4.23 NZD
X2 for 6.34 NZD
Butter 250gm - 3.17 NZD
NZ:
Butter 375 - 5.38 NZD

[onearmedbandit]

Are we looking at the same link?

UK:
Butter 500gm - 4.23 NZD
X2 for 6.34 NZD
Butter 250gm - 3.17 NZD
NZ:
Butter 375 - 5.38 NZD

Lets compare like with like. 500g block of butter in the UK, NZ$5.62. 500g block of the same butter in NZ, NZ$5.57.

See attachments.

[onearmedbandit]

The UK price was NZ$3.19 - so that "special" is still more expensive.

Lets compare like with like. 500g block of butter in the UK, NZ$5.62. 500g block of the same butter in NZ, NZ$5.57.

See attachments.

Can you follow this now p.dath? And don't forget that a supermarket is currently offering two of these 500g blocks for $7.

[p.dath]

Can you follow this now p.dath? And don't forget that a supermarket is currently offering two of these 500g blocks for $7.

So the UK prices is two 500g blocks for £3. That's £1.5 per 500g block. That's about $NZ3.10 for 500g.

Woolworths NZ online are charging NZ$5.38 for a single smaller 375g block. Even if there was a deal for two blocks for $7 - it's only for a 375g block - much smaller.

So, no I don't follow it. It looks drastically cheaper in the UK.

[onearmedbandit]

So the UK prices is two 500g blocks for £3. That's £1.5 per 500g block. That's about $NZ3.10 for 500g.

Woolworths NZ online are charging NZ$5.38 for a single smaller 375g block. Even if there was a deal for two blocks for $7 - it's only for a 375g block - much smaller.

So, no I don't follow it. It looks drastically cheaper in the UK.

A 'block' of butter is different to a container of spread. Lets get the terms right first. No where on the UK site are they offering two 'blocks' of 500g butter for £3. Secondly, the offer I was referring to on NZ TV was for 2 500g 'blocks', for $7. Not 2 375g containers.

They are however offering two 500g containers of spread for £3, yes you are right. That's a special. And you are comparing it to a non-special item, namely a 375g container of spread for $5.38. That's a little unfair. I could do the same with the current offer (that you misread) of 2 500g blocks for $7, essentially $3.50 per 500g block. Compare this special offer with the standard UK price of NZ$5.62. All of a sudden things look drastically cheaper in NZ don't they.

So lets look at the normal price of a 500g container in the UK, which is about NZ$4.30. Compared to the NZ price for the 375g container for $5.38, I agree there is a discrepancy.

However, you can not base an argument on a single example of a wide and varied market. If you could, I could use the example I quoted in my post 3 up with the 500g 'blocks' and argue the prices are the same. Or I could take the currently advertised offer of 2 500g 'blocks' of Anchor butter for $7, once again 500g for $3.50, and argue that our prices are much cheaper.