How do we start again?

[mashman]

So to give it a name is important to some , so Ill tell you the word & the word is....WHINING

i'm up for that

[puddytat]

See, another painless conversion.
Im up for it too, but I be off to bed

[mashman]

See, another painless conversion.
Im up for it too, but I be off to bed

painless until the morning comes... but yes, i have seen the light, although I preferred the dark rich red of the Rioja...

[NinjaNanna]

It all started when we gave this planet the wrong name....Earth.
Its 3/4 water isnt it?

Maybe a new way to start would be to create a new religion?
One we can all believe in
One that is free
One that suits us all as individuals
One that requires no Diety or prophet
One that we all unknowingly practice nearly every day
One that needs no handbook
One that encompasses all Denominations, Races, Creeds
One we can all understand
One that always makes us feel better when we do it
One that we instinctively practice from an early age
One that makes us feel better about ourselves
One that brings out passion , conviction yet is totally non violent
And one that unites all .......

It already exists for real but we chose to ignore it ... it was said "I shall write the law upon your heart" it is a universal law, we could throw away every religious text today and if this is true and we choose to listen to it, we could thrive and flourish.

[Banditbandit]

It all started when we gave this planet the wrong name....Earth.
Its 3/4 water isnt it?

Maybe a new way to start would be to create a new religion?
One we can all believe in
One that is free
One that suits us all as individuals
One that requires no Diety or prophet
One that we all unknowingly practice nearly every day
One that needs no handbook
One that encompasses all Denominations, Races, Creeds
One we can all understand
One that always makes us feel better when we do it
One that we instinctively practice from an early age
One that makes us feel better about ourselves
One that brings out passion , conviction yet is totally non violent
And one that unites all .......

It has a name ......& in these times of plenty when there really should be less of a need for this one universal reliigion, more & more practice it daily.

Sounds to me like you're describing the dharma (Buddhism)

[mashman]

It's the collective that make things hard. The groups who think that they're better than everyone else because they think alike , therefore they must be right... the ones who think they know better because they know more stuff than the other people do (whereas, in reality, the other people just know different stuff, but not as important ), have more money, have status, have power... you meet them day in and day out, most likely sit next to them at work (and still get on, shock horror) or read their "thoughts" on internet forums (yes i do see the irony in all of the above tyvm)...

It's those groups that stop mankind from "evolving", because they feel that mankind needs guidance and control... to a certain extent they're right, but not implementing the "guidelines" through law and threat, but through education. Not just school education, but the education of acceptance not capitulation, the education of self and not conformity, the education of trust, courtesy, consideration blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda etc etc etc on and on and on ... fuckin easy, yet the most elusive things on the planet, because we're not in "control" of ourselves, and some of that is by choice.

Chuck the financial system and most of that will come to fruition pretty damn quickly.

[Winston001]

I take solace in being in the right pace at the right time...its not everyday you get to witness the downfall of a civilisation. The last one was the Romans wasnt it?

Er...no.

The Roman civilisation fell as a consequence of military and political failure. It was sliced up by new dynamic armies, not because the Romans ran out of resources and had too many people.

However there are historical parallels: Easter Island is the classic example. It was once a vibrant society until they cut down all the trees......when discovered by European explorers there were a few hundred starving wretches left alive. This is a civilisation which built the Moai, no small feat on a remote Pacific Island.

Or consider the collapse of the Mesopotamian Civilisation. Its regarded as the birthplace of modern civilisation (agriculture, cities) yet collapsed very suddenly because of excess population and poisoned land from irrigation.

Murray-Darling Basin ring a bell.....??

[puddytat]

Its like we're all singing the same tune but we cant agree on the lyrics eh
Comes down to eveyone one being responsible for thier actions, based on basic moral integrity...

[mashman]

Its like we're all singing the same tune but we cant agree on the lyrics eh
Comes down to eveyone one being responsible for thier actions, based on basic moral integrity...

I'd like to build a world a home
and furnish it with love.
Grow apple trees and honey bees
and snow white turtle doves.

There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I'm all for moral law and capital justice where necessary.

[Brett]

What do you get when you have over consumption due to excessive demand with limited supply?....


Extinction.

Adapt or die mother fuckers.

[mashman]

What do you get when you have over consumption due to excessive demand with limited supply?....

You get price fixing . No more, no less. With NO concern for the human cost. It's business, not personal (I DETEST that disassociation term with a passion)... that's the attitude that's fucking us up.

Extinction.

Adapt or die mother fuckers.

The dying bit is pretty inevitable Failing cataclysmic disaster, extinction is avoidable.

[puddytat]

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I'm all for moral law and capital justice where necessary.

Twas exactly that song I had in mind with that last post......
And Im also in agreement with you on Capital punishment, with the way the place is going especially in the West we need to change our thoughts on the Right to Life, and its supposed rights asscociated with it. Its not a Right, its a Privilege... If you want the "privileges" that go with then you need to earn them,& this has nothing to do with money by the way, but everything to do with being an asset to our society & worth the time & space you occupy.

[mashman]

Twas exactly that song I had in mind with that last post......
And Im also in agreement with you on Capital punishment, with the way the place is going especially in the West we need to change our thoughts on the Right to Life, and its supposed rights asscociated with it. Its not a Right, its a Privilege... If you want the "privileges" that go with then you need to earn them,& this has nothing to do with money by the way, but everything to do with being an asset to our society & worth the time & space you occupy.

Agreed. it does transcend the financial system thing. Although that could only help in the reduction of crime rates. Fancy starting a political party

[NinjaNanna]

How does 1 person make a difference? The only way I can see us changing things is at a political level. To make that change is going to take guts.

The only thing politicians listen to is votes (not voters). I garantee that if at the next election there was a huge swing to the Greens then the major parties would sit up and take note and we might see some more progressive gutsy policy and action come out of the major parties.

The idea of living with the Greens in power is a little worrying but if that's what it takes to get things happening on a wider level then I think its worth it.

[puddytat]

Im kind of thinking the same thing....just started a thread on politicians with integrity to get an idea of where the sentiment lies & with whom. Maybe individuals with merit & not parties might be the future, try & get rid of this "colour" association problem people seem to have...so many seem to be put off by the colour of thier hoardings, or of thier party flag & so blinker themselves to the good ideas & policies they might have
I too, have been guilty of this...