North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[BoristheBiter]

I can only guarantee you one thing - if you don't ask you wont get anything.

Any what kind of publicity does he get for doing nothing? Yawn. Tired old argument that one Toto; and one without any substance.

And yes, his employees do want to help. But their superior is not keen on the idea, and John Kelly is that persons boss - the strategic road policing manager. I'm asking for help at a different place in the food chain.

Be very careful of what you tell him about what/when things are done.
Just look at what happened to the running club at Owera, it was stopped becuse they needed cones and traffic control wardens just to cross the Owera bridge.

Remember it is held in a public car park and normal rules apply, whether it is busy or not.

[MarkH]

I can only guarantee you one thing - if you don't ask you wont get anything.

I have to agree, it was worth asking to see what sort of response you would get - there wasn't any harm in trying.

But yeah, the result seems to be as TOTO eloquently put it:

Your superintendent doenst care. its all a publisity stunt for him. the guys that care and want to help are his employees and nothing depends of them. your superintendant is just another cager, but with uniform.

I think that the super-intendant only cares about shopping for flak pants, not road safety. His reply was basically "how well would my arse be covered if we did this, I don't want any flak hitting me if there is a problem". It did NOT strike me as "I'm dead keen to help riders be safer, lets get a couple of technicalities nailed down then we will see what we can do to help"

[thehovel]

You got more responce than I got from ACC.

"Your doing a great job ,we are thinking of you"

Ulysses are running in to definition issues also. Regards Richard

[p.dath]

I had a meeting with Superintendent John Kelly today. He was kind enough to take me to a local cafe, and shouted me a cup of coffee while we discussed the request I made.
He took quite a few notes in his notebook during the course of the meeting.

There didn't seem to be any fundamental issues do with with NASS or how it is run. He seemed generally positive about the good work that NASS does, and I believe he can see the value that it provides.

I believe his primary concern was not with committing Police resources to help, but the potential fall out and damage to the Police brand in the event that an accident should happen, or if something "untoward" happened.

I attempted to assert that the Police would only be involved to assist, and not to run NASS, and that riders were personally responsible for themselves. I also reminded him of the positive PR that may result.

He said he will consult with his colleagues, and come back to me with an answer.

My impression is that there is a 60% chance he'll say yes.

[rickstv]

Maybe the police input could be confined to theory only. That way they can't be held responsible for someone dropping their bike and getting hurt. (If that is what they are worried about)

Nice night tonight by the looks, should be a good turnout. See you all there.

Rick

[JK12]

hope to see u guys later.

[p.dath]

I have had a response back from John Kelly at the Police now.

John has said the Police can participate in the car park session if:

• The first time someone attends a check is done to verify they are licenced, and hold a licence suitable for the bike they are riding.
• The first time someone attends a check is done to verify the bike has a warrant and is registered. There is also the implication that bikes should be continually maintained to WOF standard and licenced and be of a safe standard.
• Riders wear safe clothing, meaning that at a minimum they comply with the legal requirements (aka, wear a motorcycle helmet). Without even asking John, I know he would like if riders were encouraged to wear reasonably protective gear as well (jacket, boots, gloves, etc).

If everyone feels this is ok, then I can let John know to give the go ahead.

Personally, I find the conditions acceptable, and it will provide access to very experienced mentors.

[BoristheBiter]

I have had a response back from John Kelly at the Police now.

John has said the Police can participate in the car park session if:

• The first time someone attends a check is done to verify they are licenced, and hold a licence suitable for the bike they are riding.
• The first time someone attends a check is done to verify the bike has a warrant and is registered. There is also the implication that bikes should be continually maintained to WOF standard and licenced and be of a safe standard.
• Riders wear safe clothing, meaning that at a minimum they comply with the legal requirements (aka, wear a motorcycle helmet). Without even asking John, I know he would like if riders were encouraged to wear reasonably protective gear as well (jacket, boots, gloves, etc).

If everyone feels this is ok, then I can let John know to give the go ahead.

Personally, I find the conditions acceptable, and it will provide access to very experienced mentors.

Didn't we allready have that??

[p.dath]

Didn't we allready have that??

Richard always turns up. But we don't have any other very experienced riders that turn up all the time.

This will give us another very experienced mentor that will turn up every time that are on shift.

Plus it is good to have the viewpoint of more people. While experienced riders will often know all the tricks, sometimes they might overlook something that seems simple to them while someone else will present it with their view. Or sometimes learners will respond better to one mentor than another.

[BoristheBiter]

Richard always turns up. But we don't have any other very experienced riders that turn up all the time.

This will give us another very experienced mentor that will turn up every time that are on shift.

Plus it is good to have the viewpoint of more people. While experienced riders will often know all the tricks, sometimes they might overlook something that seems simple to them while someone else will present it with their view. Or sometimes learners will respond better to one mentor than another.

fair enough, please carry on.

[Sharry]

That sounds very reasonable to me, it will be a good way of encouraging new riders to gear up properly.
The more different view points there are the better, your right with the fact that if some looks over it someone else may rememeber it.

[TOTO]

sounds reasonable to me

[zealchick]

sounds great. i think the standard of safety gear worn by all riders is pretty good and it is certainly encouraged already. As is safety of bikes. So correct me if i am wrong but really all that will change is that it wil be made a little more official? Input from different aspects is always beneficial, what i find is 3 people can tell you the same information but 1 will explain it in a way that makes sense to me lol

[p.dath]

sounds great. i think the standard of safety gear worn by all riders is pretty good and it is certainly encouraged already. As is safety of bikes. So correct me if i am wrong but really all that will change is that it wil be made a little more official? Input from different aspects is always beneficial, what i find is 3 people can tell you the same information but 1 will explain it in a way that makes sense to me lol

The main changes form my perspective, is we'll need to ask new riders if they have a licence, and have the correct licence for the class of bike they ride. And that we should also do a random look at each others bikes and make sure they are registered with a warrant - and safe.

And from the Police side of things, an officer will "officially" be rostered on to help, which means they can attend regularly.

[Big Dog]

I am all for the above propositions.