Why is NZ so lax on the ATV deaths?

[duckonin]

all the safety gear you need is a dog on the back, when he bails, you maybe wanna take it down a notch
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me and the old man actually discussed the possibility of a tip sensor for my final year uni project.

helmets and other safety gear are too inconvenient for most riders as well.

'A helmet would be too 'inconvenient' to keep your brain safe or at least help in the event!!:

years back the Lands and Survey bought new Toyotas with the altimeter type deal on the dash showing the lean angle of the vehicle, it was amazing the number of vehicles that rolled over, due to the dick driving them watching the gizmo to see how far they could get it to go before shit happened, well yep most cases shit happened quickly the result

Yes Katman you right, there are some serious death traps on farms, under maintained vehicles..

[scott411]

if only it was easy to reprogram human behaviour,

i think the biggest problem with Quads is how they are perceived and being very easy to ride, where they are not, and the consquences are worse than a 2 wheeler when things go wrong,

i would be interested to know if more people die on horses than quads tho, cause when one of those fall on you its pretty bad,

i know more people get killed every year in equestion sports than motor sports

[SMOKEU]

if only it was easy to reprogram human behaviour,

i think the biggest problem with Quads is how they are perceived and being very easy to ride, where they are not, and the consquences are worse than a 2 wheeler when things go wrong,

i would be interested to know if more people die on horses than quads tho, cause when one of those fall on you its pretty bad,

i know more people get killed every year in equestion sports than motor sports

At least a quad bike won't kick you in the stomach if it gets pissed off at you. Is the whole "never walk directly behind a horse" thing true?

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that's why most farmers get a honda, superior build quality

Actually the new 420cc Hondas have had a lot of reliabilaty problems.

[scott411]

How about just fitting roll cage/roll bars?

because it makes the centre of gravity higher, and since you can not strap your self on teh quad you will get caught up in the roll bars trying to get away form it

[bogan]

'A helmet would be too 'inconvenient' to keep your brain safe or at least help in the event!!:

are you wearing one now? If you aren't in danger of a head injury, you don't need to wear one! And in my experience, the danger of a head injury on a quad is fuck all.

years back the Lands and Survey bought new Toyotas with the altimeter type deal on the dash showing the lean angle of the vehicle, it was amazing the number of vehicles that rolled over, due to the dick driving them watching the gizmo to see how far they could get it to go before shit happened, well yep most cases shit happened quickly the result

yeh, a readout is a bad idea, but an anoying as fuck beeper gets results with car keys/headlights....

[Banditbandit]

yeh but they had to change the color to red to be able to compete

Naaa .. my mid-80s Suzuki was red ...

How about just fitting roll cage/roll bars?

Not practicable ...


Changing the laws won't work ... it's an issue of enforcement ... when you're two hours ride away on the back of the farm there's no-one going to go out and check to see if you're complying wth any law ...

[stig]

How about just fitting roll cage/roll bars?

I've been thinking of buying or building somthing like this for the old man.
http://www.quadbar.com.au/quad-bar.html
Im sure you could still hurt yourself but it'd reduce the chances of being pinned under the quad and being asphyxiated or outright crushed.

because it makes the centre of gravity higher, and since you can not strap your self on teh quad you will get caught up in the roll bars trying to get away form it

most farm quad bikes are in the mid-high 200's kg, it'd take a lot of steel to significantly shift the c.o.g., but yeah I think a big cage could create more hazards than it solves.

[scott411]

i actually do not mind that type of roll bar, would help a bit in some crashes,

but on big country it ill just cause the quad to flip higher as it goes down the hill,

a quads weight is fairly high as it is when considering where the 90-100 KG ish rider is sitting on top of it,

[NordieBoy]

I've been thinking of buying or building somthing like this for the old man.
http://www.quadbar.com.au/quad-bar.html
Im sure you could still hurt yourself but it'd reduce the chances of being pinned under the quad and being asphyxiated or outright crushed.

A sissy bar for a quad!

Quite well thought out though. About the least you can do and still have protection.

[Katman]

I've been thinking of buying or building somthing like this for the old man.
http://www.quadbar.com.au/quad-bar.html

That's not a roll-bar. That's something to hang onto when you're standing on the carrier helping your mate pull mean-as wheelies.

[Brian d marge]

They dont make money for government , stick a revenue stream on em and watch what happens

Stephen

[duckonin]

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QUOTE=bogan;1129903806]are you wearing one now?

If you aren't in danger of a head injury, you don't need to wear one! And in my experience, the danger of a head injury on a quad is fuck all.



yeh, a readout is a bad idea, but an anoying as fuck beeper gets results with car keys/headlights....[/QUOTE]

you need to protect your brain for to ride drive anything in an outdoors pursuit leads to 'possible' head injury...So who listens to BEEPERS, they have them also in the Jap imports didn't make any difference the drivers still speed, actually they go even faster to see if the thing will blow up!!! BEEPERS B fucked, 'idiots on bikes for christ sake' that's the theme, bet my last bit of 'Goat shit' you are one of those!!

[bogan]

you need to protect your brain for to ride drive anything in an outdoors pursuit leads to 'possible' head injury...So who listens to BEEPERS, they have them also in the Jap imports didn't make any difference the drivers still speed, actually they go even faster to see if the thing will blow up!!! BEEPERS B fucked, 'idiots on bikes for christ sake' that's the theme, bet my last bit of 'Goat shit' you are one of those!!

'possible' sounds like nanny state talk to me, unless its probable (and even then it's debatable) then mandatory safety gear isn't justified. It's possible a bit of roof or light fitting could fall down on your head, gonna wear helmets inside now?

But I bet every one of those jap import drivers with the beeping know they are speeding, I'd also bet the majority of rollovers didn't know they were about to roll over, maybe if they knew it wouldn't have happend?

[Headbanger]

The question should be why isn't the agriculture sector held to the same standards as the rest of NZ? Many exceptions for them are written into law, and this is the payback. How to fix it? with a giant stick, It can be done. The question is who has the power?