So basicl what you are saying is there is nothing wrong with HD it was his suspension?Originally Posted by Robert Taylor
troglodytam extraordinaire
So basicl what you are saying is there is nothing wrong with HD it was his suspension?
gee wizzz
Robert I 100% agree with what you are saying RIGHT UP TO THE POINT HE/HIS BIKE HIT SOMETHING SOLID.
This has been discussed round and round in circles. Bad suspenders,a big drop off,slippery patches on the track surface,rider error even potholes can, have, and will continue to contribute to crashes all round NZ. Hey thats what I concider acceptable risk.
Hitting something hard (thats a permenant fixture) that will badly injure or kill you if you combine one or more of the above factors That I don't concider acceptable risk.
The catchcry of trackday companies is "Practice your skills in a SAFE controlled enviroment." Which I why I for one have never run a trackday at Pukie. AMCC for their ART days were and are aware of the safety issues and by using safety bales have reduced the risk in key safety areas to an acceptable level.
I hope from this tragedy HD will do the same.
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Forum whore
Read my posts again. I am in agreeance that the wall is in a bad place. But all of the blame for the accident itself should not be against the track itself.
Hardcore Biker
YES it should, the fuckin concrete wall killed him.
Please carry on with your sales pitches now
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troglodytam extraordinaire
As frosty said above
"This has been discussed round and round in circles. Bad suspenders,a big drop off,slippery patches on the track surface,rider error even potholes can, have, and will continue to contribute to crashes all round NZ. Hey thats what I concider acceptable risk.
Hitting something hard (thats a permenant fixture) that will badly injure or kill you if you combine one or more of the above factors That I don't concider acceptable risk."
You are right, the blame for the accident should not be just the fault of the track as as discussed there are many variables to why we crash, the outcome however is a completely different topic and does lie IMHO completely at the feet of HD.
The instructions are simple...
That's a bit harsh. Although essentially on the money.
The rider's crash was caused by a number of combining factors - aren't they all? Change any one of those factors and the crash may not have happened.
The factor in his death, though, is 100% down to the placement of that wall.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Toxteth O'Grady
Whilst I'm inclined to say the track is more to blame than the bike (and I think Robert agrees there) his contribution to this discussion is very valid and informative and valued (by me at least).
I don't think there's a hope in hell that wall will be moved but there are other strategies such as slowing the approach to the section (which is feasible) - any thoughts on that ?
Hardcore Biker
Reality can be harsh
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gee wizzz
Ok Guys I've hinted here but lets be clear. I think you will find that the official report will show It was NOT the wall itself that killed him.
Perhaps the wall isn't ideally placed --Ok it is NOT anywhere near ideally placed.
But again look at the S/F straight of tracks worldwide
The best/most recent example has to be Taupo
What killed the poor guy was the brackets on the wall.
Have a look at the pictures of that section of track.
They are ugly and deadly and will (did) cause instant 200km/k to zero deceleration.
I bet any amount of money said brackets are being moved as we speak.
Rather than a poo fight I'd like to suggest using the combined milenia of experience and bright eyed bushy tailed newbees to offer practical solutions.
Robert has highlighted a risk reduction comment---(sort ya suspenders) but what about the other ways to reduce the risk of a repeat??
I bet any amount of money that track day organisers,Race clubs and track management would really apreciate ways to prevent the problem comeing back.
Personally I feel running bikes in reverse with one section of T barrier (concrete) moved back onto the new track would help
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The instructions are simple...
Brackets? Why the hell would anyone have a wall like that with shit sticking out from it?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
The police and coroners investigation will focus not only on the wall and the tragic end result but also what set off the chain of events.
troglodytam extraordinaire
Well i would say the hump as that would have started it all off.
The instructions are simple...
Nope. It started with the rider's speed.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Toxteth O'Grady
... is it the bike ? Is it the hump ? Is it the wall ? or is it the fact that 200kph+ through that section is bound to end one way if there is any kind of a problem which causes the bike & rider to crash.
That is not to say that the riders speed is the problem.... that would be a cop out. Riders will ride at the maximum speed allowed by the track... thats the whole point of course.
OK, so who's next?
Nope, it started by riding one of those dangerous two wheeled contraptions.
The easy cure for the time being for the track is simple, it's more than wide enough to make a chicane near the top of the hill with bales.
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