Is this the sort of thing that's going to lead to vigilante groups?

[SMOKEU]

Yeah that line is getting a little old. Nine times out of ten, the kids that nut off after playing violent video games are the ones that're fucked in the head to start off with, or with other factors playing part.

I will agree with desensitization to violence, but, that doesn't make kids more likely to commit violent acts, just less likely to cringe when it does come up.

It's just the PC governments excuse to remove personal liability from an individual for criminal offences. Instead of saying "you're a useless cent that should be hanged, drawn and quartered" the government is trying to say "we are so sorry that the system has failed you, please forgive us for our negligence. It's not really your fault".

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah lets blame computer games. No no no, lets blame TV. Or how about we blame, um, comic books. Yeah that will do. But no matter what, lets not blame the parents. Fuuuuuck no, couldn't do that.

Utter bullshit. I was brought up properly, I played violent video games (and still do), we played war games as children, and I ain't ever hurt anyone physically who didn't need it.

Fucking weak arse piss ant bullshit excuse blaming games etc.

[maggot]

Yeah lets blame computer games. No no no, lets blame TV. Or how about we blame, um, comic books. Yeah that will do. But no matter what, lets not blame the parents. Fuuuuuck no, couldn't do that.

Utter bullshit. I was brought up properly, I played violent video games (and still do), we played war games as children, and I ain't ever hurt anyone physically who didn't need it.

Fucking weak arse piss ant bullshit excuse blaming games etc.

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.


...does anyone else smell bullshit?

[onearmedbandit]

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.


...does anyone else smell bullshit?

Yep. I got into some shit when I was younger, like most kids did, had the police involved a few times. Never anything nasty, just typical youth rebellion. And I knew I was in for it if my old man caught wind of it, which he did on numerous occasions. And yeah he hit us kids, and sometimes we hit back too. Gone toe to toe with the old man a few times. And I hated him for it. But it kept me out of serious trouble, kept me away from getting myself into serious trouble. So to dad, I say thanks for knocking me around a bit. Didn't do any long term harm, but long term it turned me into someone who understood consequences.

[onearmedbandit]

If I may quote one of my peers, Marshall Mathers:

When a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn (on Marilyn).. and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper class ci-ty
Havin this happenin (this happenin)..

[Edbear]

Yeah that line is getting a little old. Nine times out of ten, the kids that nut off after playing violent video games are the ones that're fucked in the head to start off with, or with other factors playing part.

I will agree with desensitization to violence, but, that doesn't make kids more likely to commit violent acts, just less likely to cringe when it does come up.

What would you attribute the radical increase in mindless, random and vicious violence too? When 6 year-old's are carrying knives and threatening adults with them, etc.

[Edbear]

Certainlly the lack of parental guidance is the main factor and that is due to a number of things. Starting in the 60's with the idea that disciplining your children stunted their growth to today when many, (it seems like most!), parents simply don't have clue, (my wife is an Early Childhood teacher and we see first hand the horrifying ineptness and stupidity of parents!), children are left pretty much alone to bring themselves up!

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.

Kids are so desensitised that they have absolutely no fellow-feeling whatsoever, to the point they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on both people and animals. It is truly "mindless" violence and we are seeing it pervade all levels of society.

[Edbear]

It's just the PC governments excuse to remove personal liability from an individual for criminal offences. Instead of saying "you're a useless cent that should be hanged, drawn and quartered" the government is trying to say "we are so sorry that the system has failed you, please forgive us for our negligence. It's not really your fault".

It's a bigger issue than just the government. Parents simply haven't got a clue how to bring up children. They are actually scared of them! The courts have a role to play too in the years of "wet bus ticket" punishments handed down.

[maggot]

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.

Kids are so desensitised that they have absolutely no fellow-feeling whatsoever, to the point they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on both people and animals. It is truly "mindless" violence and we are seeing it pervade all levels of society.

I don't see much of a difference to what was reality 'back in the day'. Just a different way to receive the violence. I mean, look at the wars, the gang violence, all the other bullshit that is around, has always been around, and will always be around.
I'm pretty sure real life images of kids burnt to crisps by napalm in 'Nam would be just as damaging as much of the pixelated violence in the media today.
Don't delude yourself and assume the 'youth-are-so-much-worse-today' attitude, because when you were a wee'un the same bullshit permeated society with the same results. Guarantee it.

[FJRider]

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.

I recall ... as a child ... watching the TV westerns, Bonnanza-Rawhide etc: the bad guys (and a few good guys too) ... and the next week ... in a different program, the same guy (actor) is large as life again. As adults its easy to figure out the truth ... but unless REALITY is pointed out to these kids ...

[Edbear]

I don't see much of a difference to what was reality 'back in the day'. Just a different way to receive the violence. I mean, look at the wars, the gang violence, all the other bullshit that is around, has always been around, and will always be around.
I'm pretty sure real life images of kids burnt to crisps by napalm in 'Nam would be just as damaging as much of the pixelated violence in the media today.
Don't delude yourself and assume the 'youth-are-so-much-worse-today' attitude, because when you were a wee'un the same bullshit permeated society with the same results. Guarantee it.

As one who was there at the time and watched society "develop" over the last 40-50 - years, it is much different today. Yes, there has been violence throughout Man's history and atrocities committed that shock you, but the point is that senseless and vicious violence has been steadily rising in society and gradually permeating throughout all levels.

"Back when I was a lad..." there was a general respect for law and life in the main and there was almost always a "reason" for the violence plus it was on a far smaller scale. Nowadays it is obvious that there is little or no "general respect" for life and the law and violence is a way of life for more and more young ones who have no concept of humanity.

I recall ... as a child ... watching the TV westerns, Bonnanza-Rawhide etc: the bad guys (and a few good guys too) ... and the next week ... in a different program, the same guy (actor) is large as life again. As adults its easy to figure out the truth ... but unless REALITY is pointed out to these kids ...

Perzackery! Parents seem to be actually afraid of upsetting their kids and giving them boundaries to live by. There is no "right or wrong" anymore and kids,as I said in my previous post, are left to bring themselves up any way they please. We see first hand in Early Childhood, the effects of bad parenting on toddlers. It was a real eye-opener!

The Government is trying to target parenting skills, to their credit, but these parents simply aren't interested in being told by anyone, no matter how diplomatic you try to be, that there is anything wrong with what they are doing. They are defensive and angry if anyone, including the Govt. tries to point out that "little Johnny" is heading for trouble.

[FJRider]

They are defensive and angry if anyone, including the Govt. tries to point out that "little Johnny" is heading for trouble.

And ... who do "they" blame ... when "they" visit that same "little johnny" in jail ... for him being in jail .... ???

[Edbear]

And ... who do "they" blame ... when "they" visit that same "little johnny" in jail ... for him being in jail .... ???

Usually everybody but themselves. "The 'System' has let my kid(s) down!" The "Do-Gooders" say they've "fallen through the cracks" and "should have been picked up" by "The System"! This "System" is just so convenient, isn't it? A faceless, nameless entity that is "failing our youth today".

It's got nothing to do with the fact that the parents have let little Johnny do whatever he liked from birth... No, they are "good parents who have done their best but somehow, something has gone wrong with 'The System.'"

[maggot]

As one who was there at the time and watched society "develop" over the last 40-50 - years, it is much different today. Yes, there has been violence throughout Man's history and atrocities committed that shock you, but the point is that senseless and vicious violence has been steadily rising in society and gradually permeating throughout all levels.

"Back when I was a lad..." there was a general respect for law and life in the main and there was almost always a "reason" for the violence plus it was on a far smaller scale. Nowadays it is obvious that there is little or no "general respect" for life and the law and violence is a way of life for more and more young ones who have no concept of humanity.

I'd probably agree with you that young'uns these days have alot more attitude and more balls and less respect, but I do maintain the reasons aren't so much different to what they've always been.

[maggot]

Usually everybody but themselves. "The 'System' has let my kid(s) down!" The "Do-Gooders" say they've "fallen through the cracks" and "should have been picked up" by "The System"! This "System" is just so convenient, isn't it? A faceless, nameless entity that is "failing our youth today".

It's got nothing to do with the fact that the parents have let little Johnny do whatever he liked from birth... No, they are "good parents who have done their best but somehow, something has gone wrong with 'The System.'"

The effing system sure has alot to answer for if they ever find that sneaky, convenient bastard