Minecraft. Who plays?

[SMOKEU]

I worked for a software company that had an online product. In one edition they added a license validation system that checked the legitimacy of the software in use. If memory serves me right, ~93% were unlicensed. Which, if you're Bill Gates, probably makes very little difference to your bottom line. But if you're a smaller software house, less than 10 employees and trying to make sure that everybody's salaries are paid, the bills are covered and there's some money left over to grow the business that hits hard.

I'm guessing it's easy being a criminal though when you don't have to face the people you're stealing from. I've never understood why people find it so easy.

I mean - would you walk into a bike shop and take a helmet and walk out with it? Or would you slip some CD's under your jacket in Real Groovy?

I wouldn't shoplift. I don't have a job, so I can't afford to fork out for games as I can barely scrape up the cash to put petrol in my bike. Even if I did have enough money, I'm still not stupid enough to start paying for games if I can download them for free. Obviously with some games I won't be able to play them online if it's pirated, but many other games are not played online so I might as well download them for free.

[Pascal]

I wouldn't shoplift. I don't have a job, so I can't afford to fork out for games as I can barely scrape up the cash to put petrol in my bike. Even if I did have enough money, I'm still not stupid enough to start paying for games if I can download them for free. Obviously with some games I won't be able to play them online if it's pirated, but many other games are not played online so I might as well download them for free.

So what you're saying is:

"I've got the opportunity to get away by stealing something; so I'll do it"

That about covers it?

You are in effect stealing a luxury item because you have the opportunity and there are no repercussions to yourself. And you would continue to do so even if you could afford not to be a thief? No worries, you do what you do. I was mostly just curious about the mentality behind such a decision.

And before you ask ... yes, I do have a license - even for Winzip.

[SMOKEU]

So what you're saying is:

"I've got the opportunity to get away by stealing something; so I'll do it"

That about covers it?

You are in effect stealing a luxury item because you have the opportunity and there are no repercussions to yourself. And you would continue to do so even if you could afford not to be a thief? No worries, you do what you do. I was mostly just curious about the mentality behind such a decision.

And before you ask ... yes, I do have a license - even for Winzip.

You have a genuine licence for Winzip?!?!

I have a very good site for you to check out: http://www.torrents.to

The thing is, if someone walks into a shop and steals a bar of chocolate that the shop paid $1 for, then they (the shop) has to pay to replace that product, leaving the shop owner $1 out of pocket.

Even if I was unable to download games for free, I would not pay for a genuine copy of the game, therefore the game developers are not left out of pocket by any means due to my actions.

[Pascal]

Even if I was unable to download games for free, I would not pay for a genuine copy of the game, therefore the game developers are not left out of pocket by any means due to my actions.

So if somebody has an item of value which is not for sale it is okay to steal it because you wouldn't have been able to buy it?

The world of thieves are murky and complex indeed! It seems to me that you have a lot of excuses to justify that you are nothing more than a common thief.

[EJK]

IMO for epic games (I'm talking about Starcraft II here) deserves purchasing. Paid full price on the day of release. Them developers and company totally deserves it.

But games like "Big Rigs over the road racing", fuck I wouldn't even waste my bandwidth.

[SMOKEU]

So if somebody has an item of value which is not for sale it is okay to steal it because you wouldn't have been able to buy it?

The world of thieves are murky and complex indeed! It seems to me that you have a lot of excuses to justify that you are nothing more than a common thief.

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

[EJK]

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

If you don't respect the total amount of efforts (designing, developing, testing, measuring and so on by hundreds of employees) the game developers have put into (not mentioning millions of dollars put into), then ok I understand your point.

[Pascal]

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

So a video game / movie / music has no inherent value? Why do you want to steal it then? Ah wait ... so if you want it it must have value. You're just not willing to pay what it's creator has deemed it to be worth. So you steal it.

Now.

Imagine everybody thought like you did - as fucking horrifying as that thought may be. If 93% of consumers had the same mentality you did, what would happen to game development houses and publishers who create games?

You have taken something with value from somebody else. That is theft. Plain and simple. Console yourself with whichever justifications you feel is necessary though. It doesn't change the fact that you're a thief.

[SMOKEU]

If you don't respect the total amount of efforts (designing, developing, testing, measuring and so on by hundreds of employees) the game developers have put into (not mentioning millions of dollars put into), then ok I understand your point.

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

So a video game / movie / music has no inherent value? Why do you want to steal it then? Ah wait ... so if you want it it must have value. You're just not willing to pay what it's creator has deemed it to be worth. So you steal it.

Now.

Imagine everybody thought like you did - as fucking horrifying as that thought may be. If 93% of consumers had the same mentality you did, what would happen to game development houses and publishers who create games?

You have taken something with value from somebody else. That is theft. Plain and simple. Console yourself with whichever justifications you feel is necessary though. It doesn't change the fact that you're a thief.

There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

As for movies, I don't see why I should fork out cash to see a video of some slut getting phucked when I can just download it free.

[Blackshear]

This pit gave me autism.



Hand dug. Cave at the bottom kinda ruined it though, oh well, SPELUNK TIME!

Also might wanna check out skylands.

[EJK]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Games are not LEGO®

There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

As for movies, I don't see why I should fork out cash to see a video of some slut getting phucked when I can just download it free.

VideoEzy or Civic Videos do $1 a weekly movies but hey I won't argue anymore

[Pascal]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Then the bike makers should accept that not everybody could pay for their bikes and should give them away for free?

Yeah, yeah.

It's much easier if we all just break into bike shops and steal them. No harm, right as we couldn't afford it anyway.

Here's the simple answer. If you're too skint to purchase something, go without.

As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

You realise they pay a fee for the right to do so, right? The record label is still earning money when the radio station plays it.

There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

Do a ram-raid on Whitcoulls, go to the dictionary section and look up "hypothetical". If that's too difficult; try looking up "example".

[Spuds1234]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Using your annalogy, I cant afford a brand spanking new Ducati 1098, so Ducati should respect my financial situation and give me a 1098 for somewhere around a grand.

The world doesnt work like that.

I think this picture sums things up nicely

[SMOKEU]

It's your (financial) loss if you'd rather waste your money on software than some nice hardware for your gaming rig.

[Spuds1234]

Hows it my loss?

All the games I play I own. I get updates that fix any bugs that come up. The updates dont break the game for me like they would if I was using a pirated copy (usually I would have to wait for a new crack to come out before I could install the patch)

Also I get free and ongoing DLC from companies like Valve for games like TF2 (which is a great game in which I have logged about 200 hours in). So the $80 it cost me for the Orange Box got me 5 games - and ongoing new content.

Try getting that off a torrent.

The fact still remains that your an idiot Smokeu, you argue every which way and use false logic to say that your not stealing but you are. You are still taking money away from the developers who make these games and work hard to do so. If they dont have money then there wont be any new games for you to enjoy.

Would you work all day for no pay? No I didnt think you would and neither would a software developer.