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    Quote Originally Posted by phill-k View Post
    I could say that from where "we" come from we don't use the i, but then it could also be that I posted in a hurry and didn't proof read the post, but I'm sure you all get what I meant.
    So, not from Korea and referring to a brand of car then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    So, not from Korea and referring to a brand of car then?
    Don't you get me going on our friends from the north
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    OK, I'll roll the first dice; - what was so unattractive with Hawaiiki (I think that's what it was called) to cause people to climb aboard a big-arsed canoe and bugger off for thousands of miles across the sea to EnnZedd?
    And how did they not hit all the other islands on the way down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    So, young Berries, don't feel you are special...
    But please do enjoy TV, Whisky, waterproof raincoats, sealed roads...
    I’ll give you the whisky, and butteries and perhaps the deep fried Mars bar, the rest were inventions by people who just happened to be Scottish. I don’t have a problem with the Scots, it was just the few who hang on to crap from centuries ago. Every country has them, some more than others.

    PS – any news on when decent TV and sealed roads will make it to NZ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Do you mean Kia Kaha?

    It doesn't matter at NCEA, and for a language that was not written, as long as it sounds right, does it really matter?

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    As an aside,why the hell were we taught other countries' history at school and not our own,well back when I was at both primary and secondary,we got the tokin (read govt speil from education board)but very minimal.

    My rant with a born again maori(like them christians,holier than thou)one afternoon in Hawera in my local bar,we had a good debate,no swearing,except he did get louder and made a dick of himself,when I kept asking show me the fine print on treaty.My ignorant on these things is that the wording was passed down verbally from family to family,and we all know the story can change(for better or worse).I asked him if he was such an authority on maori land in the naki,where the armed constabulary stables were in the town,after all we had a few significant areas of history around the area,he dodged the subject as usual and did the "we wus robbed"crap,and said not important,to which I said ah well your loss and learn history,ironically the stables built around 1870 ish were on my grandparents land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot slow View Post
    As an aside,why the hell were we taught other countries' history at school and not our own,well back when I was at both primary and secondary,we got the tokin (read govt speil from education board)but very minimal.
    Yes, quite.
    After coming through the education system in the 60's and 70's, I have asked myself the same question.

    The answer seems to be that to have presented NZ history in any sort of factual manner would have been to admit/recognise that "other New Zealanders" prosperity in New Zealand has been largely acquired on the back of dis-enfranchisement of Iwi from the political, social, financial, and educational processes. And from there, the possibilities for recognising an alternative way forward might be a bit frightening for those that hold the reins in this country...

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    Sorry people, I've been tied up in a tangi for a kaumatua since Friday morning .. just read up to date.

    Wuill have a think and get back to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Ata marie

    Sorry people, I've been tied up in a tangi for a kaumatua since Friday morning .. just read up to date.

    Wuill have a think and get back to you.
    Thank You for the update, now I would like to quote myself from an earlier post

    "Tell me what it is that Maori want, be specific, don't refer to righting past wrongs, but tell me what Maori want as we as NZers' go forward in the 21st century"

    I look forward to furthering my understanding from your reply
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill-k View Post
    Thank You for the update, now I would like to quote myself from an earlier post

    "Tell me what it is that Maori want, be specific, don't refer to righting past wrongs, but tell me what Maori want as we as NZers' go forward in the 21st century"

    I look forward to furthering my understanding from your reply

    Looks like that question was a bit too hard then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    Looks like that question was a bit too hard then
    Too right mate, asking for one single Maori to speak on behalf of all the entire hundreds of thousands that belong to various tribes with various affairs to be specific on what 'we' all want as we progress towards the future - yeh..... its a bit hard aye

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    No. It's not hard. Generalities are all that were asked for.
    I suppose the difficulty arises in so far as most Maori couldn't give a toss about getting 'their land' back, or self-rule, or whatever. Oh, I'm sure they pay lip service to the concept, but the reality is they are quite happy just the way they are - which could be anything from gainfully employed to 3rd generation bludger...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    Looks like that question was a bit too hard then
    NOT at all ... formulated a response .. trying to find time to post it ... too busy leading up to Xmas ...
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    No. It's not hard. Generalities are all that were asked for.
    I suppose the difficulty arises in so far as most Maori couldn't give a toss about getting 'their land' back, or self-rule, or whatever. Oh, I'm sure they pay lip service to the concept, but the reality is they are quite happy just the way they are - which could be anything from gainfully employed to 3rd generation bludger...
    See we don't want to talk in generalities - that's a Pākehā way ...

    And there are many many Pākehā 3rd generation bludgers too ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean View Post
    Too right mate, asking for one single Maori to speak on behalf of all the entire hundreds of thousands that belong to various tribes with various affairs to be specific on what 'we' all want as we progress towards the future - yeh..... its a bit hard aye
    Yeah ... how to respond to that demand was part of my hold up .. thanks for doing it for me ...
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