Stabbed policeman left to die

[Toaster]

the cause, let me see, people who think that the law doesn't apply to them or they don't give a toss about them in the first place.

You can cry me a river all you like about the poor and the beaten and the damed but at the end of the day we know right from wrong and some people choose to do wrong.

we (well i do) all know of people from good family's that go bad and people from bad family's that go good and at the end of the day it comes down to the choices we make.

AND THERE IS NO NEED TO YELL

Completely agree.

What some of the keyboard judges forget here is what it is actually like to stand alone without backup without the tools to defend oneself against a knife, pipe, bar, machette, the list goes on.

I am sure if they were in that position they would want a firearm too.

Politicians and Police managers: Arm the police and stop pussy-footing around the issue. Give them at least a better chance to survive. Their life matters just as much to them as ours do to us.

[BoristheBiter]

I;m all for transporting criminals to the Martian Penal Colonies, They can work in the mines there to get resources back to Earth.

Hell yes, i can see it now "welcome to mars its like Australia just further from the sun"

[BoristheBiter]

Completely agree.

What some of the keyboard judges forget here is what it is actually like to stand alone without backup without the tools to defend oneself against a knife, pipe, bar, machette, the list goes on.

I am sure if they were in that position they would want a firearm too.

Politicians and Police managers: Arm the police and stop pussy-footing around the issue. Give them at least a better chance to survive. Their life matters just as much to them as ours do to us.

Hopefully when Peter Marshell replaces Howard Broad things will be on the up as Broad is still a Clark lakky, no guts to do whats needed and never backs up the troops. what a complete waste of space he is.

[imdying]

Politicians and Police managers: Arm the police and stop pussy-footing around the issue. Give them at least a better chance to survive.

They already have haven't they?

Isn't the real problem that there is no way he should've been stopping a car in the middle of nowhere at night without another officer in the car who has one hand on the radio and another on the lock box?

[scissorhands]

Dont get me wrong, cops need guns now for protection ( and no more working alone), working prisons like Angola are a good idea and I believe in self funding through inmate labour.

Its the causes of the crim creation that are woefully unattended to a much of morons at the top.

The baying for blood by the masses is nothing new and to be expected.

The lack of incisive planning to prevent crim creating is the area that riles me. Cant you see we are being forced down this road by those wanting a police state future?

Why glorify gangster shit on TV and music other than to divide and conquer?

[Toaster]

They already have haven't they?

Isn't the real problem that there is no way he should've been stopping a car in the middle of nowhere at night without another officer in the car who has one hand on the radio and another on the lock box?

These things happen is SECONDS. They need them on their hips. Yes all cars should have two police. My few years in the police was most often in a single manned car. They simply dont have enough Constables and Sergeants on the front lines and too many seconded off to back office roles, admin and projects.

[imdying]

These things happen is SECONDS. They need them on their hips.

If they happen in SECONDS, then they're not going to have time to draw a weapon from their hip. One second it's just a quick walk back to the car to conduct standard radio checks, the next it's a crack over the back of the head and their own 9mm in the small of their back.

Where in that time frame do you see an officer being able to draw, arm, aim, and then make a considered decision on whether to shoot or not? Or should every routine traffic stop be conducted with a drawn weapon? Because given the choice between that, and putting another cop in every car, I'm not really interested in young policeman being put in that position.

Draw, arm, aim, considered decision on whether to fire or not... from that list, it's pretty easy to figure out which of those things will be given less attention in a pressurised situation.

[Scuba_Steve]

What alot of people seem to be missing is this guy was blind-sided do you really believe that had he had a gun he would have been better off?
If your gonna take a cop down like that knowing their armed, your NOT gonna leave them with their gun, it'll be taken & then used against the cop, dead cop not injured cop!
Also do you think crims knowing cops are "packing" are gonna continue just to carry knifes/bats, so there you've just put store owners & general public at greater risk than current. Then there's the fact one of the safest people to be when a cops got a gun is the person they're trying to hit again putting general public at greater risk than they need to be.

At close quarters guns become more hindrance than help, especially if your reliant on them as the cops would be, Proper CQC (close quarters combat) training is the safest, most effective route to go it'll save more lives than "arming police" will ever save

[Toaster]

What alot of people seem to be missing is this guy was blind-sided do you really believe that had he had a gun he would have been better off?

You are missing the point. It is not about this particular case. It is about giving them the best chance to defend themselves and others in any future events whatever they may be.

And to answer you. If you were not there, how would you know? Only HE can answer that question. Noone else.

[Toaster]

If they happen in SECONDS, then they're not going to have time to draw a weapon from their hip. One second it's just a quick walk back to the car to conduct standard radio checks, the next it's a crack over the back of the head and their own 9mm in the small of their back.

Where in that time frame do you see an officer being able to draw, arm, aim, and then make a considered decision on whether to shoot or not? Or should every routine traffic stop be conducted with a drawn weapon? Because given the choice between that, and putting another cop in every car, I'm not really interested in young policeman being put in that position.

Draw, arm, aim, considered decision on whether to fire or not... from that list, it's pretty easy to figure out which of those things will be given less attention in a pressurised situation.

Ever been there and done that?

If you havent been in that situation then leave it to those who are. I have been there. A firearm gives a cop the best chance to survive.

In this case, he was caught out. Each case is vastly different. This debate is about saving cops from GBH or death in the future.

Yes some will die. It is about giving them the tools to help them survive. Tools that beat those used by criminals. Of course there is added other risks with guns. But that is a calculated risk I for one would take to gain the benefits that the weapon offers.

[imdying]

You are missing the point. It is not about this particular case. It is about giving them the best chance to defend themselves and others in any future events whatever they may be.

Not missing the point at all, I just think you're wrong on this one.

Two cops; it's disgusting that we should send them out one at a time vs the worst we can muster. That's just fucked, unless they're Robocop that'll always be asking for a beating.

[imdying]

Ever been there and done that?

Oh, we're going there are we?

If you havent been in that situation then leave it to those who are. I have been there. A firearm gives a cop the best chance to survive.

What, you've been there once and probably paniced your arse off; that does not make you instantly qualified to dictate the appropriateness of carrying a glock in every case

It is about giving them the tools to help them survive. Tools that beat those used by criminals.

That's a bit misguided... just how is a pistol going to beat those tools used by criminals?

[BoristheBiter]

Dont get me wrong, cops need guns now for protection ( and no more working alone), working prisons like Angola are a good idea and I believe in self funding through inmate labour.

Its the causes of the crim creation that are woefully unattended to a much of morons at the top.

The baying for blood by the masses is nothing new and to be expected.

The lack of incisive planning to prevent crim creating is the area that riles me. Cant you see we are being forced down this road by those wanting a police state future?

Why glorify gangster shit on TV and music other than to divide and conquer?

OK then what makes a criminal then? what stops a criminal from offending? and what stops one from reoffending?

[Banditbandit]

But it will stop the cops getting bashed. if not then the crims get shot and thats just good riddance to bad rubbish. w

win/win i say.

And so will innocent people - or do you believe that anyone the cops shoot will be a criminal ?

[BoristheBiter]

And so will innocent people - or do you believe that anyone the cops shoot will be a criminal ?

maybe, maybe not. you never know it might make people do what the police ask them.