Stabbed policeman left to die

[oldrider]

The only criticism I would make of the said officer is, he was alone and he turned his back on the "enemy"!

May not have saved him but at least it would have improved his chances and if he had had a gun, he could have used it to defend himself. (and us)

Sargent Guthrie (of Aramoana fame) should have shot first and then cautioned David Gray and read him his rights!

I am sure Sargent Guthrie would be uncomfortable about that today as he enjoyed life with his loving family after being dismissed from the force of course!

Well, better than being a dead hero being mourned by his grieving family because he followed the "stupid" rules!

[scissorhands]

well that is the soft cock, limp wristed,,PC bullshit blame everyone else for them being criminals answer that I excepted.

What a complete load of bollocks you spout.

As for Sweden, they have the same offending rate as here and they are more soft cock so that doesn't work.
Saudi is more police state than the USA so thats why they have a lower crime rate and that's the way it should be but i could just imagine what you would all say if we started cutting off the hands of thieves, have a good stoning or God forbid we take the benefit off them

like Smiffy said some people just think they are entitled to.

The percentage of the population in Swedish prison is significantly lower than in most other countries. Out of 100,000 inhabitants, 79 lived in prison facilities in 2001, which is a bit higher than other Scandinavian countries. By comparison, most industrial countries in Europe had a rate of around 100 (England & Wales 125, Germany 97, Italy 90); and some eastern Europe states range between 150–300. The United States ranks high above Sweden with 682 inmates per 100,000 inhabitants, topped only by Russia's 729.[5] Some of these numbers may be due to variations in prison types, for instance Sweden makes frequent use of electronic fetters, allowing the prisoner to live at home (but under constant surveillance, including a no-alcohol policy.)

From Wikipedia

[BoristheBiter]

The percentage of the population in Swedish prison is significantly lower than in most other countries. Out of 100,000 inhabitants, 79 lived in prison facilities in 2001, which is a bit higher than other Scandinavian countries. By comparison, most industrial countries in Europe had a rate of around 100 (England & Wales 125, Germany 97, Italy 90); and some eastern Europe states range between 150–300. The United States ranks high above Sweden with 682 inmates per 100,000 inhabitants, topped only by Russia's 729.[5] Some of these numbers may be due to variations in prison types, for instance Sweden makes frequent use of electronic fetters, allowing the prisoner to live at home (but under constant surveillance, including a no-alcohol policy.)

From Wikipedia

And they still have the same crime and re-offending rates so whats your point?
Just let all offenders get off with a slap on the hand is that what your saying?

[BoristheBiter]

Its lost on Borris anyhow, he cant see any connection or even understand the implications. Most of us are Pro police , but arming the front line officer will be a disaster and produce disaster. I,m sorry for the officer injured and glad that he survived I just dont think he should of been out there alone.

No the connection is not lost on me, i actually think that what is portrayed on the telly has to answer for some of the problems but we are not talking cause here we are talking about the police's ability to defend themselves.

but if you really what to talk cause you have to look no further than the so called parents.

[scissorhands]

It appears Sweden has caught up with the rest of the world, funny that. Stockholm is now like most euro cities in crime stats.

Interestingly, Swedens murder rate was huge a couple of hundred years back.

Refugees and immigrants have pushed up stats in last 12 years according to Wikipedia. Rural non immigrant towns are still very low by american standards.

[BoristheBiter]

It appears Sweden has caught up with the rest of the world, funny that. Stockholm is now like most euro cities in crime stats.

Interestingly, Swedens murder rate was huge a couple of hundred years back.

Refugees and immigrants have pushed up stats in last 12 years according to Wikipedia. Rural non immigrant towns are still very low by american standards.

So now its the fault of immigrants, your not called Winston are you?

[scissorhands]

So now its the fault of immigrants, your not called Winston are you?

Call me whatever, oh difficult one. Sweden USED to be low. My apologies, okay?

At least I can admit a mistake, Mr Perfect

[BoristheBiter]

Call me whatever, oh difficult one. Sweden USED to be low. My apologies, okay?

At least I can admit a mistake, Mr Perfect

We are all far from perfect.

I would have said the same till about feb or march when the had a doco looking at all the different systems around the world, Sweden, the tent city in the states and a few others and what the outcome was and they were basically all the same at the end.

No matter what was in place to help crims the offending and re-offending rates were basically the same. There was one place that was lower, i can't remember now, somewhere in Africa and that was only because most weren't let out and they had a massive death in prison rate.

I know there are a lot of problems and for some no matter what you do they will always be criminals as for some they just need a scare to put them straight.

the police are our only tool in catching them, its not their job to look for answers, thats the job of government, and it's about time we started giving them the tools they need to be able to preform their jobs and be able to return home safely and if that is arming them, putting armed forces or security staff to ride along, or making every car 4 up then so be it. as many say on here thats part of their job then lets let them do it.

[imdying]

Why not have an armed soldier ride along on the beats that need it? They're already trained in weapons?

Interesting thought.

[oldrider]

if you really what to talk cause you have to look no further than the so called parents.

Yes you are correct IMHO but who really are the parents today?

Socialists (Clark/Key administrations for instance) believe that "we" all belong to the State, especially the children!

The State has disenfranchised the parents and taken away the parental authority, responsibility and right to discipline and set boundaries for their own children!

Note: The effects of the anti smacking bill!

When the kids behaviour turns to shit the State (Welfare departments etc) then hands the apparent child failure and the responsibility back to the parent and blames them for the fuck up!

It was two of these products that almost killed the Policeman in question and there are lots more of them out there, yet to be discovered!

[BoristheBiter]

Yes you are correct IMHO but who really are the parents today?

Socialists (Clark/Key administrations for instance) believe that "we" all belong to the State, especially the children!

The State has disenfranchised the parents and taken away the parental authority, responsibility and right to discipline and set boundaries for their own children!

Note: The effects of the anti smacking bill!

When the kids behaviour turns to shit the State (Welfare departments etc) then hands the apparent child failure and the responsibility back to the parent and blames them for the fuck up!

It was two of these products that almost killed the Policeman in question and there are lots more of them out there, yet to be discovered!

No argument here.

[Mudfart]

Smothering them with love doesnt seem to work, only spoils them.
I would have gotten a palm to face slap, thats if I had of refused in the first place, and you kind of learned your lesson after the second facial slap from previous rebellions.

[jasonu]

Why not have an armed soldier ride along on the beats that need it? They're already trained in weapons?

Because they are soldiers, not police.

[mashman]

Because they are soldiers, not police.

That's kinda the point .

They're already paid for by the public to serve the country.
They're trained to shoot and kill, and will most likely hit the target (unlike the Police J/K, to a degree).
They may have access to night vision (amongst other toys) etc... that Police don't.
They were brought in during the Molenaar thing, so have experience.
They're sitting around in barracks when they could be doing "other" things.

and likely many more reasons why they could be of benefit...

Would that be enough of a deterrent, knowing that there's an automatic rifle pointed at you when you pull over? It'd certainly make me think twice before attacking a Police person...

I'd rather not arm the Police when there are already trained armed personnel in the country . Maximum cover for Police at next to no cost...

Just a thought

[BoristheBiter]

That's kinda the point .

They're already paid for by the public to serve the country.
They're trained to shoot and kill, and will most likely hit the target (unlike the Police J/K, to a degree).
They may have access to night vision (amongst other toys) etc... that Police don't.
They were brought in during the Molenaar thing, so have experience.
They're sitting around in barracks when they could be doing "other" things.

and likely many more reasons why they could be of benefit...

Would that be enough of a deterrent, knowing that there's an automatic rifle pointed at you when you pull over? It'd certainly make me think twice before attacking a Police person...

I'd rather not arm the Police when there are already trained armed personnel in the country . Maximum cover for Police at next to no cost...

Just a thought

agree with that apart from the hit the target bit, they are just as unlikely to hit the target.