The firearm thread

[jono035]

CCI subs are slightly oversize on the bullet, stingers have a slightly longer OAL.

Both mean they play merry hell in rifles with tight chambers, like the target barrel on that 10/22, Alan, which has the rifling cut so that the bullet is seated into the lands when chambered.

I seem to recall shooting some Winchester subsonics through that rifle with no problems at all. I never really used it with a suppressor, though, because it did some slightly odd things to the cycling of the action and left a trail of smoke curling out of the action after each shot.

I use CCI subs in my bolt action and I've always been 100% happy with them.

Failure to feed is normally the rifle not liking the ammo. Failure to eject is normally the recoil spring is too hard or the bolt is too heavy. Changing either will make the rifle perform better with lower energy ammo, normally the springs are swapped out.

[Drunken Monkey]

Cheers mate, that makes a lot of sense. The cci subs are tight to chamber, but if loaded ok, they fire and eject no problem.

[Wolf]

Howa Ranchland.

Placed an order for this rifle. 7mm-08.

etc

Farking NOIICE!

Sounds like a sweet firearm, Chris. Light and quick/easy to shoulder sounds like a winner to me.

[sAsLEX]

I use Winchester Super X subs in my Target 10/22 with no issue or modification.

Yet to get a suppressor for it though.

[jono035]

I use Winchester Super X subs in my Target 10/22 with no issue or modification.

Yet to get a suppressor for it though.

Have you tried CCI subs? It'd be interesting to see if you had the same problem. I think it can be pretty variable by the manufacturer of the target barrel, mostly due to whether the bullet is engraved into the rifling when the round is chambered or not. I don't think the ruger factory bull barrels do this, while the green mountain and some other aftermarket ones do. Can't remember what make yours was.

Alan: Yeah, that sounds exactly like my experience with them in that rifle. If you force the bolt home, they fire and eject nicely. Stingers will never chamber fully because I think it is actually trying to engrave the damn casing.

[scumdog]

Failure to feed is normally the rifle not liking the ammo. Failure to eject is normally the recoil spring is too hard or the bolt is too heavy. Changing either will make the rifle perform better with lower energy ammo, normally the springs are swapped out.

Yep, my 'shorty' Gevarm has a section inside the bolt that can be turned around to provide less main-spring pressure for sub-sonic ammo - which I use in it exclusively.

Always fires - but if you know how that model of Gevarm functions you wouldn't be surprised.

[jono035]

Yep, my 'shorty' Gevarm has a section inside the bolt that can be turned around to provide less main-spring pressure for sub-sonic ammo - which I use in it exclusively.

Always fires - but if you know how that model of Gevarm functions you wouldn't be surprised.

That's a pretty neat trick... Hell of a lot nicer than having to swap out the bolt or springs, means you could do it in the field too, if needed, I guess.

Edit: Just had a little bit of a read about the Gevarm, sounds like a neat little toy to have around. I've never heard of a semi-auto .22lr that fires from an open bolt. Must make the action ridiculously simple. Could be a neat project as a ground-up build, really...

Of course, being that it fires from an open bolt, it takes about 5 minutes and a file to turn it into a full-auto... Yikes.

[The Pastor]

Gevarm .22lr looks super easy to convert to full auto, according to the googles......

[sAsLEX]

Yep, my 'shorty' Gevarm has a section inside the bolt that can be turned around to provide less main-spring pressure for sub-sonic ammo - which I use in it exclusively.

Always fires - but if you know how that model of Gevarm functions you wouldn't be surprised.

Dad has one of these at the bach. Very hard to do this change?

I have had it loose a few rounds at once, and a mate had one down home that would often empty a mag!

At least it's easy to see rounds remaining, then you don't have to count!

[scumdog]

Gevarm .22lr looks super easy to convert to full auto, according to the googles......

Apparently.....

[Wolf]

Apparently.....

And the old Sterling .22lr M-16 lookalike could easily be converted to full auto by poking something like a match or a small nail into a hole on the side of the receiver - Or So I've Been Told.

Personally, I don't see the point in full auto except for having a bit of fun. It's practical uses are extremely limited and it wastes a lot of ammunition, even if used against large groups. Fine for convincing people to keep theiir heads down - which effectively makes it an expensive substitute for shuriken - or intimidating people but in most respects, setting your firearm to empty a 30-round mag in 3 seconds is kinda stupid unless your quarry is hidden somewhere in the bushes and you really don't give a rat's arse who or what you hit.

If you're being overrun by Zombies, spraying out 30 rounds to hit (not necessarily incapacitate) 5 of them is probably only going to shorten the time it takes to run out of ammo...

Movies invariably screw up their portrayal of the firepower of SMGs - if they depicted them realistically (like running out of ammo after a 3-second burst rather than after six 5-second bursts) the audience would be saying "Man, that's GHEY!"

But full auto is FUN - OSIBT

[Drunken Monkey]

... Fine for convincing people to keep theiir heads down - which effectively makes it an expensive substitute for shuriken ...

You can't throw shiruken as far as you can throw bullets, and you can't penetrate as much material. Keeping heads down is a key part of fire-and-maneuvre. In modern NATO warfare, the AR's job is to use that firepower to keep heads down and allow your fire team members to move into a position where they can kill with 1 - 2 shots. Sure, being alone with a SAW set to Rock & Roll probably isn't the best use of ammo, but you have to look at full auto in the context of what it is designed for - as only one of several components at the disposal of your fire teams.

...in saying all that, you're hardly going to use a fully auto .22 as part of your fire team (unless you're desperate). That's just more of a proof of technology thing than anything else.

[Mr Merde]

...in saying all that, you're hardly going to use a fully auto .22 as part of your fire team (unless you're desperate). That's just more of a proof of technology thing than anything else.

Check out the American 180 machine Gun, Military firearm chambered for .22.


Supposedly very very accMagazine
Capacity: Up to 275 rounds
Rate of Fire: 1500 rounds per minute



urate.

[Expert]

I'd be really annoyed if someone was shooting that thing at me.




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[Expert]

It's amazing that little round has the power to operate the mechanism to chamber the next round and still have enough puff left to actually penetrate anything tougher than a tomato at 20 paces.