National opens ACC to private sector

**MSTRS:Me** · 24th December 2010, 15:17

I see what you mean. Yep - you're right. We do not, and won't, have the right to sue in that sense. We have, and will need, the right to bring a case to the disputes tribunal or civil court, against whoever is refusing to pay out on the insured cover. That is what I meant by 'sue'.

**Winston001** · 24th December 2010, 16:35

Agreed. At the moment there are ACC review hearings and procedures and something similar will need to be put in place for alternative insurance cover.

I'm against accident compensation being divided up. I do not believe it will be cheaper in the medium term, or as good. Despite the common view that ACC has become a nasty organisation, my experience is that they are very good. They are still operating on a social contract.

**phill-k** · 24th December 2010, 16:42

Originally Posted by Winston001

Agreed. At the moment there are ACC review hearings and procedures and something similar will need to be put in place for alternative insurance cover.

I'm against accident compensation being divided up. I do not believe it will be cheaper in the medium term, or as good. Despite the common view that ACC has become a nasty organisation, my experience is that they are very good. They are still operating on a social contract.

Agree totally, they are just in need of a tune up

**NONONO** · 24th December 2010, 20:10

Read a fine article today..
Seem the insurance companies are pre empting the ACC privatisation and beginning to formulate a campaign based on Why Wait?
Targeting those vulnerable to the loss off universal cover they will begin attempting to double dip...IE, offer cover for currently ACC related issues...while the ACC levy remains in place......
I can not think of a bunch of people less worthy of breath....they produce nothing..they have no morals.. the ethics of an American arms dealer, and profit by others misery.....
I swear, if I stop to help another biker and they turn out to be connected to this industry, they are on their own....

**mashman** · 24th December 2010, 20:12

Meh. It's business, not personal

**Oscar** · 24th December 2010, 20:39

Originally Posted by NONONO

I swear, if I stop to help another biker and they turn out to be connected to this industry, they are on their own....

They'll just have to try and avoid breaking down in front of gay bars, won't they?

**motor_mayhem** · 24th December 2010, 21:36

Originally Posted by StoneY

Nailed!
Wouldnt matter what party the MP is in, its the man/woman who decides 'will I ply fair, or will I glut myself at the trough due to a loophole and Carter is the worst example in years
Dmage he has done to the reputation of his party is immeasurable, but still pales to the rorting and sheer robbery of Bill English and his 'rentals' IMO

I despise Carter and Harawira the most because when they get caught out they play the "I'm a hard-done-by-minority" card as if they are under-priviledged when actually they have either never been or have completely forgotten what that's like.

Originally Posted by Oscar

They'll just have to try and avoid breaking down in front of gay bars, won't they?

No they won't cos you'll be there to help them Oscar.

**Pixie** · 27th December 2010, 07:34

Originally Posted by wharfy

Don't be a voting slut !!! - Think about what sort of society you want to live in and vote for a party that supports that.

Remember that Politicians will offer almost anything to get elected !! You must bear in mind what their belief system is, to quote The right Honorable Dr Lockwood Smith " you have to swallow a few dead fish to get elected "

Being a voting slut,as it were, is the logical thing to be.It is the swing voters that the scum are scared of.If you are a loyal voter they will reem your arse because you are too stupid to think for yourself and probably voted the way your dad did.
If you are an opposition supporter they don't give a fuck what you think.

**Mudfart** · 27th December 2010, 19:49

"The right honourable Dr Lockwood Smith", ahhhh yes I remember him fondly.
Last time Natzi party was "in", he was the minister for conservation, and the cave creek tragedy occured. So, he swapped portfolios with the minister of education.
Then there was a huge arse up with student loans and uni students, so he swapped portfolios again. Then he was minister for police? i think.... and some big fuck up happened again.... see a pattern?
If you fuck up, GTFO, GET THE FUCK OUT, there are other more competent people who can run the country.

**avgas** · 30th December 2010, 15:14

Originally Posted by Fatt Max

Have you heard the news
that we are all getting screwed
while the bellends down the Beehive
get more pay.........

Come here mister tambourine man, play a song for me......

**avgas** · 30th December 2010, 15:19

Originally Posted by Winston001

Punitive damages is extra compensation to punish the wrong-doer and is rare in law. Usually the fault has to be gross and inexcusable

What about something like Tort? Sorry I am a noob about legal crap these days that is outside what I need to know.
But can you actually get damages from Tort? (Sueing someone with it obviously would be a difficult task).

**avgas** · 30th December 2010, 15:23

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Not get back the right to sue?
Not quite - since if you go private, and get shafted, suing is exactly what you will have to do. And you have the right to do that now...although it is very rare.

Of course should ACC go to the insurers...... everything else could get privatized at the same time....
OSH could become = St John + WorkCover

Which I think would be a good thing. For a start there would not be another Pike River (which I have just had first hand news on......and needless to say - its not good)

**Winston001** · 1st January 2011, 19:13

Originally Posted by avgas

What about something like Tort? Sorry I am a noob about legal crap these days that is outside what I need to know.
But can you actually get damages from Tort? (Sueing someone with it obviously would be a difficult task).

Tort law is suing for damages - compensation. Contract law is suing for breach of a contract, nothing to do with accidents, negligence, third parties etc.

The cases over leaky buildings are divided between contractual and tortious obligations. The ability to sue a council has no basis in contract. The council instead owes a duty of care to its citizens to administer its own rules and ensure houses don't fall down.