Buy from NZ? I tried but come on...

[Owl]

Do you lot spend as much time whinging about the mark-up that supermarkets make on your groceries?

Only on the Woolworths forum!

[MSTRS:Me]

... However, the customers are not...

Really? There is more than one good reason for them buying offshore...and it is also to do with price.

[R1GEEZA]

i understand why people buy overseas and i tend to do for some stuff as well in other interest's i have, if i can not get what i want here, or it is 50% cheaper to land it here from oversea's i will do it,

but going in to try gear on, then buying oversea's is pretty low in my opinion, but i have had worse, someone coming in wanting me to swap for free some gear that he got in and was the wrong size

i new i would get abit of stick for saying that i went to try on for size then bought elswhere and i did feel abit cheeky doing it but i wouldt go as far as to say its low... at the end of the day i just couldnt justify spending 1200nzd dollars on a jacket wen i can get it for 400usd pluss duties with free shipping it just seems obsurd that any1 would pay that much.... and as otheres hav said good customer service did make them a sale from me on a back plate so they were still 3hundy up wen i walked out the door. i went back 2day to size up for some alpinestars gloves knowing fullwell i wasnt going to hand over 3hundred bucks for them but i did buy a cap!!!!

[scott411]

i new i would get abit of stick for saying that i went to try on for size then bought elswhere and i did feel abit cheeky doing it but i wouldt go as far as to say its low... at the end of the day i just couldnt justify spending 1200nzd dollars on a jacket wen i can get it for 400usd pluss duties with free shipping it just seems obsurd that any1 would pay that much.... and as otheres hav said good customer service did make them a sale from me on a back plate so they were still 3hundy up wen i walked out the door. i went back 2day to size up for some alpinestars gloves knowing fullwell i wasnt going to hand over 3hundred bucks for them but i did buy a cap!!!!

what will you do when the retailer shuts up, or stops stocking high end gear because they can not compete?

[Ocean1]

To what extent, do you suppose is the disparity between NZ retail and offshore Interweb sales simply a new commercial reality?

Is the pricing structure likely to change? Surely only if 'er Magesty's servents manage to tax the bejezuz out of interweb imports to make a "level playing field"?

Are not the above import taxes and levies the the reason the field's on the piss in the first place? What does the government contribute to the supply chain, isn't it just another case of "see the money tax the money"?

[onearmedbandit]

what will you do when the retailer shuts up, or stops stocking high end gear because they can not compete?

But is that the customers fault?

To what extent, do you suppose is the disparity between NZ retail and offshore Interweb sales simply a new commercial reality?

It's happened already.

[spacemonkey]

To what extent, do you suppose is the disparity between NZ retail and offshore Interweb sales simply a new commercial reality?

Is the pricing structure likely to change? Surely only if 'er Magesty's servents manage to tax the bejezuz out of interweb imports to make a "level playing field"?

Are not the above import taxes and levies the the reason the field's on the piss in the first place? What does the government contribute to the supply chain, isn't it just another case of "see the money tax the money"?

These "offshore" websites don't in fact need to be offshore, it is possible to run one of those style operations here.
As an example Hamiltron based Torpedo7 who sell cycling motorbike and outdoor gear, their prices match or beat many overseas competitors...... Mind you in doing so though their methods have aquired for them the nickname "industryrapists.com".

[R1GEEZA]

what will you do when the retailer shuts up, or stops stocking high end gear because they can not compete?

look weather i bought from oversees or not would not make a difference. i wouldnt of bought them from the shop even iff there was no ebay! i just couldnt afford to. so the bennefit to me is that i know im wearing high end gear that could save my life if i eva come unstuck instead of sum cheapo brand i wouldve had to resort to if i didnt use ebay. and as selfish and "low" as this may sound, im out to get the best deal for ME. the alpinestars stockists dont giv a shit about me they just want my money....simple buisness and thats fair enough but they cant expect the general public to pay there horrendose prices just to keep them affloat. i think its the way things are moving in gereral in all areas...noone wants to pay the middle-man and if they dont have to they wont simple!!!!!!!! i bet theres a whole bunch of people that feel the same way 2

[Robert Taylor]

Wow, that's fukn cheeky! I have visited local stores to try on jackets, pants, gloves, boots & helmets - in each case I bought locally.

I visit local shops to enquire about price/availability for over 90% of my purchasing - they get the opportunity to make the sale, it's just sometimes they don't succeed (not my fault & not my problem). I wanted a Givi screen and was impressed by the local price, it was actually cheaper than what I could get one from the US for - it was only the 2 1/2 months delay in availability that lost them the sale. My workshop manual would have cost close enough to the overseas price for me to buy here instead of ordering overseas, but the bike shop couldn't get it for me - no longer available so I got it in from repairmanuals.com. I went to my local shop to buy a drive belt, but the local importer was out of stock, never mind - I got one from overseas cheaper and in less than a week. I'm happy to let the locals have my money - but they need to be able to supply the products in a reasonable time and at a reasonable price. If they can't do it then I don't care why not - it's not my problem, I'll get what I want regardless of whether I buy local or import from overseas.



I think that it is pretty well known that supermarkets operate on high volume/low margins, so no need to whine about their margins. But someone is making too much on some items (like bottled water). I think bike shops would love to have the turnover that the supermarkets have, it would make it easy to make a good profit.

Great point, at least you are giving the retailer THE OPPORTUNITY.

[hayd3n]

What a fuckwit.

You could easily have saved $80 by buying from LOCAL fastner suppliers.

i couldent get any in new zealand the local shops tried but all i got was 6 weeks to be sent over at $19 each

[Ocean1]

their methods have aquired for them the nickname "industryrapists.com".

Who calls them that and what are their methods?

[MarkH]

Great point, at least you are giving the retailer THE OPPORTUNITY.

I'll go further than that - in a lot of cases I have actually bought from the local retailer! I have bought a Givi screen (not the time there was a 10 week wait, but the time the suppliers had stock and I only had to wait a day), 2 helmets, 2 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of boots, leather jacket, leather pants, 2 pairs of Dragin' Jeans, RainOff Over gloves, etc.

When it is a LOT cheaper to buy overseas then it is a case of 'sorry local guy' and when the local retailer can't get the product I want then I have no choice but to buy from overseas. But when the price is similar or when it is just easier to buy locally or when I want to try on clothing to ensure a good fit then sure, I'll support my local merchants!

I'm glad that there are local merchants available that I can visit and buy from, but I'm also glad that there are overseas online merchants available that I can also buy from. In NZ you can't always find every product because we are a small market, some products are just not imported - but it only takes a week or so from ordering from the US to the goods delivered to your door. I couldn't find a local merchant that stocked a Stebel Nautilus, so I ordered one from overseas - it arrived in about 3 days (IIRC) and I love the thing!

[Robert Taylor]

I'll go further than that - in a lot of cases I have actually bought from the local retailer! I have bought a Givi screen (not the time there was a 10 week wait, but the time the suppliers had stock and I only had to wait a day), 2 helmets, 2 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of boots, leather jacket, leather pants, 2 pairs of Dragin' Jeans, RainOff Over gloves, etc.

When it is a LOT cheaper to buy overseas then it is a case of 'sorry local guy' and when the local retailer can't get the product I want then I have no choice but to buy from overseas. But when the price is similar or when it is just easier to buy locally or when I want to try on clothing to ensure a good fit then sure, I'll support my local merchants!

I'm glad that there are local merchants available that I can visit and buy from, but I'm also glad that there are overseas online merchants available that I can also buy from. In NZ you can't always find every product because we are a small market, some products are just not imported - but it only takes a week or so from ordering from the US to the goods delivered to your door. I couldn't find a local merchant that stocked a Stebel Nautilus, so I ordered one from overseas - it arrived in about 3 days (IIRC) and I love the thing!

I think its honourable that you are not mindlessly bagging all retailers lumped in together. I wouldnt for a moment be an apologist for bad service etc from local retailers but given the many ''distortions'' that are uncontrollable I dont envy many motorcycle retailers

[bsasuper]

Its a free market and a tough world, if I can get it at half the price from offshore, I will do, and I dont have to spend gas $$ to go get it (I live rural),I've seen gloves in NZ $475nz, ebay $125nz shipped, what would you do?

[Robert Taylor]

Its a free market and a tough world, if I can get it at half the price from offshore, I will do, and I dont have to spend gas $$ to go get it (I live rural),I've seen gloves in NZ $475nz, ebay $125nz shipped, what would you do?

The reality is amongst all the whys and wherefores , justifications and non justifications the situation that prevails is threatening the livelihoods and job security of many of our countrymen, and this extends well beyond the motorcycle industry.
That is a bigger and more pressing issue than everyone saving a few dollars. Ok many people may not give toss if it contributes to putting people from our own country out of work, but just how many people can live off the Government? We are already paying for the ''false prosperity'' economy we had for almost a decade on the back of property value specualtion and banks that were out of control.
This is a generalised statement not intended to incite a riot! Im just stating some of the very real negative by products ahnd unfortunately there is no easy solution and of course this reality is here to stay.