PC brigade already on the offensive at police chases

[Latte]

The government really should start cracking down on crime a lot harder, especially on young offenders. I have serious doubts that the offender in this case was a good Christian™ boy who made a once off, silly mistake. It is more than likely that he had commited prior serious offences, and if the government had done something about his offending earlier, then this crash may not have happened. It is pure luck alone that no one else was killed in this event.

My neighbours house got broken into and the offenders were caught. The stolen property was found in their possession, their fingerprints were all over the house and they even admitted to burgling the house. Since the offenders were only 14, nothing was done about it. Is this really the message we should be sending out to the youth of this country?

Their parents should have kicked their arses. Literally. I had a very good understanding of the boundaries, and a very clear (well, red and welted) view of what hapened when I crossed them from an early age.

[SPman]

Christ - this place gets more like talk back radio, all the time..........

[SMOKEU]

Their parents should have kicked their arses. Literally. I had a very good understanding of the boundaries, and a very clear (well, red and welted) view of what hapened when I crossed them from an early age.

Thanks to the Labour party, that is assault!

[nosebleed]

If the family want my sympathy they can start by paying for the power pole.
And thanking the guys who were dragged away from their families in the wee small hours to clean up the mess this fucktard made.

[Daffyd]

Did they even know what he was up to that night? He was fucking 15 years old for christs sake! He probably told them he was having a pyjama party at his mates house.

I'd be surprised if he told them anything. They were prolly too pissed to ask or be interested. Only when the shit hits the fan do they show any interest.

[Edbear]

I miss my dollar pies and the desert pies with ice cream..........

Stop it! You're making me nostalgically hungry!

[HQfiend]

Bring back flogging, thumb hanging, public shaming, the stocks, and capital punishment!

In regards to the statistics climbing even though police chases are more tightly regulated, that just goes to show that the violent video games, and TV car chases are having the educational effect that the PC crowd were on about 20 years ago. Silly though it sounds maybe they were right about censorship being too relaxed?

Also yes parents need to firstly set boundaries and be role models for their kids and yes the social engineering experiments of the socialists have meant that the parents have stopped being the role models and have allowed the state regulations to guide their kids. And I'm sure at some stage the lack of belief in the omnipotent imaginary friend to all will be mentioned as a root cause in societies down fall as well.

Lets just say that its all screwed up, so how do we fix it? Do we leap to the other end of the spectrum with extreme punishments meted out for the smallest infraction or do we remind the masses that personal responsibility is the ultimate in an evolved society?

Not saying I've got the answers but I could do with more money, more power and less shit from you people!

[Berries]

The kid deserves sympathy, chances are he didn't have much of a shot in life, the family that created and failed him, don't.

You are right. I find myself agreeing with everything phill-k has said about parents. Bringing politics in to it is just a cop out. (Unless that is the new term for abandoning a Police pursuit).

Hurst was'nt the only man to score that day.....

I think he was dude, I've seen your photo.

[oldrider]

Fuck are you taking the piss or what

No!

Almost every day somewhere in this country the same conversations as we are having on here, are taking place out in the community!

Same story line different actors same results, same ol' same ol' but nothing changes positively!

The responsibility (I think as you stated) is "ours", we all want to change it, we think we go through the motions of change but still nothing actually happens!

If I knew exactly what to do or how to begin the process I would say so but like most people, I don't!

What I have expressed is just my opinion of where I think the problem began!

I had hoped for more action on restoring individual parental authority, responsibility and accountability from the current government!

Unfortunately they appear to be no different from their predecessors on that score!

Meanwhile, the only real influence "I" have is with my own family and so far so good, that is working out OK but it is a thin line sometimes and government legislative tinkering certainly is more of a hindrance than a help!

I rate rectification of this situation very highly on the political agenda and look for those who will make a stand and take action, not just give it lip service for vote catching!

[firefighter]

Yes death is usually a tragedy

In this instance it was by far the best outcome for the rest of society. Saves us a lot of money that would have been spent on future crimes and grief for future victims the little oxygen thief would have caused.....

I have no sympathy for him and i'm quite pleased at the outcome. It saved the future pit of death comments that his future crimes would have had me say.....

I do have sympathy for his family.

[Berries]

Meanwhile, the only real influence "I" have is with my own family and so far so good, that is working out OK but it is a thin line sometimes and government legislative tinkering certainly is more of a hindrance than a help!

If everybody influenced their family in a positive way then the world would be a much better place. I think what some are saying is that some people are not influenced by their parents, or at least not positively, and if you don't have that then the kids may be in for a rough ride.

I've got two kids but I have no idea what government hindrance you refer to. The government is irrelevant to the way I am bringing them up, or indeed to the way they end up turning out.

[Spearfish]

If everybody influenced their family in a positive way then the world would be a much better place. I think what some are saying is that some people are not influenced by their parents, or at least not positively, and if you don't have that then the kids may be in for a rough ride.

I've got two kids but I have no idea what government hindrance you refer to. The government is irrelevant to the way I am bringing them up, or indeed to the way they end up turning out.

If your kids go to public school then the government is bringing your kids up, up in a way they will challenge your authority one day. Kids have hour long class explaining what rights they have over you and what the police can and cant do to them.

Kids are taught more about their rights than their responsibilities, in the current framework the law supports it and teachers encourage it.

Just before the last election there was a bit story how scientists discovered that the brains of youth have not developed in the areas of empathy diminishing their ability to make good decisions, therefore teen drivers were at risk so they suggested putting the age up..guess what the knit your own sandals brigade the greens said to that...Ah, well, no we don't want to punish teen drivers by putting the age up in fact if the research is true then they shouldn't be charged because it not their fault. Little wonder kids do what ever they want, when ever they want.
Tail wagging the dog.

[gammaguy]

The Police surely have a right to deal with alleged law breakers. If those alleged law breakers choose to resist Police detention and kill themselves or others in the process, then they are still law breakers.

I have little sympathy with runners. If they kill me or people I love, I shall have even less sympathy for them.

The so-called "PC brigade" are saying it's OK for people to avoid Police detention. They are idiots and should be ignored.

its existentialism taken to its extreme

wonder what they would say if their mother/sister/son/daughter was run over by a stolen car being driven by a driver who was reckless and speeding

my money is on them changing their tune real fast

[oldrider]

If your kids go to public school then the government is bringing your kids up, up in a way they will challenge your authority one day. Kids have hour long class explaining what rights they have over you and what the police can and cant do to them.

Kids are taught more about their rights than their responsibilities, in the current framework the law supports it and teachers encourage it.

Little wonder kids do what ever they want, when ever they want.

Tail wagging the dog.

Exactly!

The Beatles song "All you have is love, love is all you have" is all you have got!

Once that breaks down and you're kid goes a bit off the tracks and challenges your "authority", it's game over for you and if it comes to their attention, the State agencies "will" take over!

Read some of the tragic (State agency) cases if you don't believe me, there are broken hearted parents all over this country!

But of course there are none so blind as those who will not see!

There is nothing like being out of work and falling on hard times that puts pressure onto parents and families!

Temptations to stray from the family influence abound for the kids, especially while the parents are distracted, trying to hold them together!

The State wolf is always waiting to tear your family apart at the first mistake you and your kids make!

Could never happen to you! ..... Yeah right! ...... Tui anyone?

[Pascal]

Sorry Man its about time NZ parents took responsibility for what there offspring are up to, after all the punk was 15 in Ak possessed tools to steal cars, if you believe that this is not directly the responsibility of the parents you also join the ranks of the members of the Darwinian club.

Agreed, it is the responsiblity of the parents.

However, think of the influence recent New Zealand governments have had on the malleable minds of some. From free health care, pies out of school tuckshops, the whole thing. The last two decades of governments have been out to remove as much responsibility and accountabiltiy from the average New Zealander and to place that responsibiltiy in their own hands.

I wonder how much of an impact all the handouts, help, assistance, law changes and power over individuals' lives the governments have taken have actually shaped the thinking of some of the parents.

As to police chases. Don't stop them. Take the fuckers down with spikes, helicopters, Tobasco sauce and cheese graters. And pink poodles. But do not give criminals their freedom simply by driving dangerously. The fuckers need to learn that if they do a runner they're going to be butt fucked with a splintered baton, not have the chase called off.