PC brigade already on the offensive at police chases

[vifferman]

The kid deserves sympathy, chances are he didn't have much of a shot in life, the family that created and failed him, don't.

I don't buy that. You're forgetting that he still had freedom of choice, regardless of circumstances, upbringing, the phases of the moon, or whatever. Don't tell me a 15 year old can't distinguish right and wrong. If he didn't know it was wrong to take a car, he wouldn't have chosen to run for it.
We have three sons, all bright, all brought up in the same environment. We've done the very best we can for them, and yet the middle one chooses to break the law. He's not stupid, not unaware of consequences, but despite what we (or anyone esle) says or does, he still sometimes deliberately makes choices that suit him even thouhg they're against the law. Yes, we still feel responsible, but even with the benefit of hindsight, I'm not sure that having changed our parenting would've made any difference.

[vifferman]

The last two decades of governments have been out to remove as much responsibility and accountabiltiy from the average New Zealander and to place that responsibiltiy in their own hands.

I think it goes back further than that, and is more widespread.

[Ronin]

Well, I think some good came of the little tosspot crashing. My son was sitting next to me when I read the report so I turned to him and said, "Mate, I don't care what you have done, how much trouble you think you are in or what anyone else tells you to do, if a cop wants you to stop... Then stop"


Who knows. He may even listen to me.

[MSTRS:Me]

It's perfectly acceptable to blame those that came before for all the ills in today's society. It must be, because the govt sponsors a very big industry in NZ based on that...

[PrincessBandit]

Christ - this place gets more like talk back radio, all the time..........

hehehehe, but here at least you don't have to listen to my high pitched nasaly whining voice...

Yep saw her blathering on about how chases had only become an issue in the past few years because of the boyracer laws.

yeah, and what was it she added to that? oh right, something along the lines of "the cure is worse than the disease". I so wanted to smack her one, despite not really being a violent person

[PrincessBandit]

Well, I think some good came of the little tosspot crashing. My son was sitting next to me when I read the report so I turned to him and said, "Mate, I don't care what you have done, how much trouble you think you are in or what anyone else tells you to do, if a cop wants you to stop... Then stop"


Who knows. He may even listen to me.

you must spread the love blah blah blah....(i'll try and remember this comment and send some your way once I've done some more green spreading).

[mashman]

Agreed, it is the responsiblity of the parents.

No it's not. This dickhead crashed a car and killed himself off his own back. You're dreamin' if you think a 15 year old, or some 11 or 12 year olds, would follow their parents wishes/teachings over those of their "mates". Kids aren't stupid and they know how to play/get around their parents, fake sleepovers, the "it's my life, fuck off" conversation etc... It is the responsibility of society, (they're out on the roads and streets without parental supervision ) to help keep the fuckers on the straight and narrow... and you WON'T save them all, Accidents happen, especially preventable ones

As to police chases. Don't stop them. Take the fuckers down with spikes, helicopters, Tobasco sauce and cheese graters. And pink poodles. But do not give criminals their freedom simply by driving dangerously. The fuckers need to learn that if they do a runner they're going to be butt fucked with a splintered baton, not have the chase called off.

Agreed, apart from the splintered baton thing ya kinky freak...

[Pascal]

This dickhead crashed a car and killed himself off his own back.

And somehow, despite a relatively misspent youth and all the exhuberance that came with growing up, discovering hormones and boobies and all that, I never managed to crash a car and kill myself.

Last time I checked anyway.

I suspect a large part of that is because my parents taught me, sometimes at the end of a large freaking spoon or a spatula, that if I fuck up I should accept responsibility for my actions and take my punishment. And, even more importantly, to know what would be a fuck up and how to avoid it.

Kinky? I should tell you about last night. I could feel both my wife's hands on me when a third hand grabbed my foot. Faaaaa ... rk.

[2wheeldrifter]

Sorry, meant to ask, what were you cooking?

Oh, and what were you wearing while you were cooking it...?

Yes photo's please.........

[mashman]

And somehow, despite a relatively misspent youth and all the exhuberance that came with growing up, discovering hormones and boobies and all that, I never managed to crash a car and kill myself.

Last time I checked anyway.

I suspect a large part of that is because my parents taught me, sometimes at the end of a large freaking spoon or a spatula, that if I fuck up I should accept responsibility for my actions and take my punishment. And, even more importantly, to know what would be a fuck up and how to avoid it.

Kinky? I should tell you about last night. I could feel both my wife's hands on me when a third hand grabbed my foot. Faaaaa ... rk.

That makes at least two of us then... Although I did try to Darwinise myself on many occassions, flying a land rover throiugh the air on to it's roof caving in the cab, sliding my parents car (whilst they were on holiday) down the road sideways (not by design)... and there are a few other instances of me being a complete and utter fucktard (yes yes, some things never change ) that could have resulted in my death and potentially the death of others... I somehow doubt that i'm unique in those regards and my parents where A1, they have a successful daughter. Both of us from the same household, both brought up equally, what was the difference? we're an unpredicatble bunch, however some of us are lucky enough to be able to look back and shake our heads at the shit we pulled, the kid in the OP won't.

Irrespective of the belt or studded clog or whatever "punishment" tool was handy, it didn't stop me from breaking the law, or treating people like shit because I could and it certainly wasn;t the fault of my parents.

I understand why you married the woman

[slowpoke]

I'm not sure....no, that's wrong.....I'm actually very sure this is not an argument about political correctness or government involvment.

I don't really have too big a problem with "political correctness" (whatever the fuck it is) as to me it usually seems to involve trying to do the theoretically right thing, even if it's practically extremely difficult or unpopular. But in this case wouldn't the "PC" thing be trying to follow the rule book exactly as it is now? By my own internal (probably wonky) definition the current offender apprehension strategy is the "politically correct" solution: in theory someone breaks the law and the police apprehend them.

Some folks can't resist doing Don Quixote's and tilting at windmills/enemies and making "connections" that just don't exist. When did letting offenders run free become "politically correct"? When did governments "forcibly" remove personal responsibility?

The arguments complaining about governments devolving personal responsibility are self defeating. We, as a community lament the fact Big Brother has stolen responsibility, yet there is nothing stopping us assuming it. We can choose to be responsible if we wish....or we can duck and dive and claim it's someone elses fault as seems to be the increasingly popular.

The police chase strategy has nothing to do with the above though. People are simply trying to decide how to control a situation in which people are going to die no matter which tack they take. How many, offender or bystander, risk to police/offender/public, deterrent/encouragement effect etc etc.

God help the person/people in charge of that decision, people are going to die no matter what and every time it happens one side or the other will say "I fuckin' told you so!"

[scumdog]

God help the person/people in charge of that decision, people are going to die no matter what and every time it happens one side or the other will say "I fuckin' told you so!"

If they're that smart you would think they would contact Police at the time to tell them how the situation SHOULD be handled.......but nooo, being a 'Monday morning quarter-back' is so much easier - and you're never wrong!

[Indoo]

Don't tell me a 15 year old can't distinguish right and wrong.

Difference with these kids typically though is that they are abused rather than nurtured, ignored and brought up in horribly dysfunctional broken families. The morals they learn growing up and the opportunities they are given are the exact opposite of how you would have raised your boy, he has complete free choice, whereas the path these kids take is alot more predetermined.

The family are getting all the sympathy, when they should be bearing the brunt of the blame.

[Swoop]

You want to blame everyone else for your own fuckups.

The parents of that fucking waste of shitspace are directly responsible for the little shit.
He is the product of his parents no one else.

You are a bloody sad case if you think the police, the government or anyone else is responsible for the shitheads decisions in life.

The person responsible is the person doing "the crime". Parents have to instill the "right" into the child, but they have their hands tied behind their back (as stated previously in this thread) if they do not abide by the gubbinments way of thinking.

it's society that needs to take the responsibility

Tui advert time?
The individual needs to take responsibility, noy "society" or "the gubbinment".

the boy was only 15 and made to pay emotionally if not financially

48hrs in the Town Hall stocks would sort that shit out.

FFS open your bloody eyes man, socialists (most of NZ) believe that children belong to the State and as a consequence the State has gradually usurped parents rights of control over their children!

Social engineering (Legislative tinkering) by successive (mainly socialist) MMP governments has set the ground rules for the situation we find ourselves in right now!

PC fuckwits blaming the police for interfering with these dumb undisciplined kiddies rights while they steal some poor hard working bastards car!

Now you want to hold the parents accountable for the result!

Parents are like boxers being sent into the ring with their hands tied behind their backs and then being held accountable for not winning!

Well said!

The government really should start cracking down on crime a lot harder, especially on young offenders.
My neighbours house got broken into and the offenders were caught. Since the offenders were only 14, nothing was done about it. Is this really the message we should be sending out to the youth of this country?

48 hrs in The Town Hall Stocks...

I've got two kids but I have no idea what government hindrance you refer to. The government is irrelevant to the way I am bringing them up, or indeed to the way they end up turning out.

Irrelevant if you give them a clip around the ear or a wallop on the backside?

The last two decades of governments have been out to remove as much responsibility and accountabiltiy from the average New Zealander and to place that responsibiltiy in their own hands.

Thank fuck someone else gets it.

[red mermaid]

I blame them giving woman the right to vote in 1896 and letting them wear long trousers in public.


If it wasn't for those 2 decisions, everything would be fine.