Is John a spineless pussy or what?

[mashman]

Mostly mine as it happens.

And seein' as how you asked real nice, no you fucking can't have any more.



Bunch of grasping pricks.

heartless bastard... i could do with a decent top-up

[Ocean1]

heartless bastard... i could do with a decent top-up

Get a haircut.



*Fucking youf nowadays*

[puddytat]

Here's a question.

Does ANY government in the world seem to have it right?

Nah ...as some have said the Scandanavians come closest i reckon & they do have a strong "Social" content in thier policies.But the real reason no Govt in the world seems to get it right is that they're always treating the symptons, rather than treating the cause...in other words , shortsighted short term Govts, with no policies remaining unchanged from one Govt to the next.

Dunno why people get a hangup with the Greens.....Youll vote for the fuckwits you moan about time after time who are both responsible for some of the biggest ripoffs us taxpayers have for generations payed for & will still be paying for in the future.....
Yet half of ya's will never even consider or READ the Green policies all because of an anti smacking law that shouldve really been called "Dont beat your child to death 'cause we're gonna be onto you way sooner" law

[mashman]

Get a haircut.



*Fucking youf nowadays*

you cnut, you know i'm seriously balding dontcha... , i mean, lend me 50 bucks, i'll get a perm...

old bastards... talkin down to da youf since ages ago

[Smifffy]

If the foreign national is legally here then he has a "right" to the same deal as anyone else in the same position. Not ideal I grant you, but the alternative goes against the my view of society I guess... there will be people who can't earn, there will be those that "bludge"... the flip side is more abhorrent to me, because there are those with money who will happily "dodge" the tax responsibilities, just because they can... The tax dodgers do more damage to society than your foreign national friend.

Some of the dodgers probably also pay more in tax dollars than you, I and he earn in a year, not that that makes it right, and I agree that tax dodgers should also be punished.

I see them as two separate issues, and both should be addressed. Both are effectively a breach of an agreement.

One was granted residency on the grounds that he was here to work, and had skills that weren't available locally. (I could rant on that too, but won't for now). He isn't fulfilling his side of the deal.

The tax dodger is allowed to live and operate in NZ with all of the protections and benefits that entails (as well as the burden of compliance) in return for paying a percentage of his income into the 'fund for greater good' TM. He isn't fulfilling his side of the deal.

I don't know which tax dodger you have in mind, and so I have a clear idea in my head as to which of these two examples contribute less to NZ society. If I were forced to choose between them as to which one I would prefer to see removed to somewhere else, I wouldn't pause.

If it's not about comparing the two and removing one, then I don't understand why the tax dodger entered the equation.

[mashman]

Some of the dodgers probably also pay more in tax dollars than you, I and he earn in a year, not that that makes it right, and I agree that tax dodgers should also be punished.

I know of at least 2 that do. They claim working for families and earn quite a bit more than me, but offset this and that against that and this and generally claim everything that they can, when they have more than enough money to survive... for the record, I don't structure my tax affairs to be eligible for working for families or any other "credit"... i see it as being dishonest... more fool me maybe...

I see them as two separate issues, and both should be addressed. Both are effectively a breach of an agreement.

I agree, but addressing either will not get you elected

One was granted residency on the grounds that he was here to work, and had skills that weren't available locally. (I could rant on that too, but won't for now). He isn't fulfilling his side of the deal.

The tax dodger is allowed to live and operate in NZ with all of the protections and benefits that entails (as well as the burden of compliance) in return for paying a percentage of his income into the 'fund for greater good' TM. He isn't fulfilling his side of the deal.

I don't know which tax dodger you have in mind, and so I have a clear idea in my head as to which of these two examples contribute less to NZ society. If I were forced to choose between them as to which one I would prefer to see removed to somewhere else, I wouldn't pause.

If it's not about comparing the two and removing one, then I don't understand why the tax dodger entered the equation.

The way i see it, most likely wrongly so, but the wealthy tax dodger could likely fund the bludger many times over, and indeed already does...

Meh, be it the tithead sitting on a couch doing noone any harm, but needing to be "looked after" (double tap optional) or the rich prick ripping hundreds/thousands/millions of people off for profit and then not paying the full tax on their income or the theiving "bludger" that'll rob 10's of people before being jailed or the Politician with jobs for the boys... there's damage being done everywhere, but i'll still go for the rich prick causing the most damage... if only because the top 5% (or what ever the number is) have 90% (or whatever that numbers is) of the country's wealth. That being the case, and money being required to "look after" society, it is clear in my mind that it is the tax dodger (i.e. actively goes out of their way to NOT pay the full tax that they are due) causes the most damage to NZ society.

[puddytat]

for the record, I don't structure my tax affairs to be eligible for working for families or any other "credit"... i see it as being dishonest... more fool me maybe...

Nah,shows you have moral & ethical fortitude...

That being the case, and money being required to "look after" society, it is clear in my mind that it is the tax dodger (i.e. actively goes out of their way to NOT pay the full tax that they are due) causes the most damage to NZ society.

In my case being self employed I could rip the system way more but I too stuggle with simple fact that its not fair to slag it if youre not atleast contributing to a point of self imposed fairness, & many will argue about where that moral point of right or wrong is.
Im often shocked at what people claim as Business expenses & I think many small businesses are really only set up to absorb costs & claim tax rebates.
Robbing Pete to pay Paul.

[Swoop]

Anybody know what the ACC levy is for jetskis btw?

Whatever the % of the trailer registration is.

[MSTRS:Me]

Trailer reg doesn't carry ACC...

[mashman]

Interesting stories about John Key, Elders Finance, and Andrew Krieger and the NZ dollar.

On the Standard website, so without a doubt, leftwing gutter press.

http://thestandard.org.nz/the-road-t...street-part-1/ (you need to read the whole thing, including the comments)

Circumstantial, but people have been hanged on less evidence...

Most likely where he earned the Smiling Assassin nickname... These things don't just happen, they're planned to maximise revenue, and if JK was that high up hmmmmmmmmm, and potentially twice too what was it Bush said, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, er, er, er, the point is you can't get fooled again

In my case being self employed I could rip the system way more but I too stuggle with simple fact that its not fair to slag it if youre not atleast contributing to a point of self imposed fairness, & many will argue about where that moral point of right or wrong is.
Im often shocked at what people claim as Business expenses & I think many small businesses are really only set up to absorb costs & claim tax rebates.
Robbing Pete to pay Paul.

Aye that's the kicker ain't it... We want a "decent" society, yet will pay as little as legally possible towards it... Unfortunately those who want to pay as little as possible get in to power and fuck around to make as much money as possible for those who already have, and society as wet as Queensland... and by default rape this shit out of the country with the blessing of the other short sighted morons... then they blame it on the unemployed and the masses for bringing down the economy because they don't try to improve their own lot ...

[Ocean1]

The tax dodger is allowed to live and operate in NZ with all of the protections and benefits that entails (as well as the burden of compliance) in return for paying a percentage of his income into the 'fund for greater good' TM. He isn't fulfilling his side of the deal.

Again, who's fucking money is it?

Did this dodger dude, (and I reckon he's the figment of some rabid socialist's imagination) sign an agreement with anyone regarding the disposition of his income?

[shrub]

Nah ...as some have said the Scandanavians come closest i reckon & they do have a strong "Social" content in thier policies.But the real reason no Govt in the world seems to get it right is that they're always treating the symptons, rather than treating the cause...in other words , shortsighted short term Govts, with no policies remaining unchanged from one Govt to the next.

Dunno why people get a hangup with the Greens.....Youll vote for the fuckwits you moan about time after time who are both responsible for some of the biggest ripoffs us taxpayers have for generations payed for & will still be paying for in the future.....
Yet half of ya's will never even consider or READ the Green policies all because of an anti smacking law that shouldve really been called "Dont beat your child to death 'cause we're gonna be onto you way sooner" law

It is interesting how poorly informed people are about the Greens, and the rabid fear people have of the party that is probably the most committed to the wellbeing of New Zealanders out of all of them. I am politically reasonably well informed (my first degree was a political science degree), and I vote Green because they make sense.

There are basically 2 groups that have a particular fear of the Greens: the religious right, who are surprisingly influential and business lobby have worked hard to discredit the Greens out of fear of having to engage in environmentally responsible business practices. In other words, not trashing the environment in the pursuit of money. They are both very well funded and have run extremely clever PR campaigns over the last few years that have managed to convince Joe and his mates at the pub that the Greens are a bunch of interfering softcocks who want to impose extra taxes and take away their freedom. So Joe et al vote National, who have just raised ACC levies and GST, and are always looking for new laws to pass while taking away constraints on government behaviour.

[pete376403]

Most likely where he earned the Smiling Assassin nickname...

That was from his days at Merrill Lynch, apparently he was the really nice guy wo told people they no longer had a job there.
And thats fine, thats part of business.
The bit that interests me is his association with Andrew Krieger, who among other things did serious damage to the NZ economy with massive currency trades. The suspicion (unproven but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence support,) is that John key was his "agent" at M/L who put the trades through. I.E. quite prepared to shaft his own country for profit.

(conspiracy rant over)

[Brian d marge]

That was from his days at Merrill Lynch, apparently he was the really nice guy wo told people they no longer had a job there.
And thats fine, thats part of business.
The bit that interests me is his association with Andrew Krieger, who among other things did serious damage to the NZ economy with massive currency trades. The suspicion (unproven but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence support,) is that John key was his "agent" at M/L who put the trades through. I.E. quite prepared to shaft his own country for profit.

(conspiracy rant over)

I mean I can prove all of my work,I paid tax , etc

how come we cant account for JK when those massive trades went through

and why hasnt the media latched on to this like a bulldog

oh I remember the media made a promise to national

Stephen

[Pixie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_willow

Richard

Ok so he might be a tree too.