Keep Wellington's motorcycle parking free - sign the petition!

**StoneY** · 13th January 2011, 11:49

Originally Posted by buellbabe

In all the years I have travelled NZ roads in a car and on a bike I have encountered a fair amount of congestion due to someone up ahead having an accident.

NOT once has a bike EVER been involved.
Seriously. NEVER! Yea I realise it may happen occasionally but I have never witnessed a motorcycle holding up traffic cos they have rear-ended another vehicle!

Bloody good point...neither have I, ya always see the off'ed bike at the roadside but never causing a lane to close like a cage incident does

**bogan** · 13th January 2011, 11:51

Originally Posted by riffer

2) Research has shown that collectively motorcycles do not reduce overall network congestion, largely due to the impact of serious accidents. Furthermore, although exhaust volumes are less, they are environmentally more damaging due to the toxicity of their exhaust (compared to cars with catalytic converters).

I'd be interested in seeing the research that shows we don't reduce network conjestion, don't suppose they were good enough to provide a reference? And the later depends on the scale of each, much less volume with slightly higher toxicity is still a win for the environment.

**oneofsix** · 13th January 2011, 11:55

Originally Posted by StoneY

Bloody good point...neither have I, ya always see the off'ed bike at the roadside but never causing a lane to close like a cage incident does

seen it hold up traffic but really its the disco lights and rubberneckers that cause the hold-ups, the bike and rider are usually out the way. When it does happen it is far less often than with cages and for shorter time.

as to exhaust pollution modern bikes can't be far behind cages and the bike 'fleet' is more modern in general than the cages.

**Velocipede** · 13th January 2011, 12:48

We need to present a united front to every local council in this country. We are already paying more than we should be as it is.

'Oh, its just because biker have more accidents...'

If that is the case, then why is registration cost increased based on engine CC and not rider crash history?

E.g. If I am an 'Invincible' 17 year old riding a 250 pocket rocket, why do I pay less than someone who has had an 1800cc Cruiser for forty years. And PROVEN they are a competent rider by the fact they are still breathing!

And Wellington City Council have (in my opinion) proven their incompetence with such a 'well thought out' proposal.

**Edbear** · 13th January 2011, 13:29

Originally Posted by trademe900

Looks like I'm the only Aucklander supporting you guys down there.

And me...

**StoneY** · 13th January 2011, 14:13

Originally Posted by Edbear

And me...

Im truly touched by how many non Wellingtonians have signed...there are even a few from Aussie!

**Beddhist** · 13th January 2011, 14:14

Done.

Regarding the by-law: it's another sign of Kiwi insular thinking, I'm afraid. How is an out-of-towner, especially a tourist supposed to know that parking bikes in car park spaces is not allowed in Wgtn, but it is everywhere else? The road rules should be the same everywhere, unless this is clearly signposted.

Similarly, Rotorua DC some years ago introduced a by-law forbidding parking outside marked spaces anywhere in the CBD. They very happily handed out tickets to all and sundry. It is now clearly marked, however.

What worked quite well in Germany and France was to organise bike rallies on busy shopping days, especially long Saturdays, descending on the CBD and parking one bike in every car park space. It usually only takes one action day to achieve the desired result, as it hits business people in their pockets and they have leverage, if not seats on councils. I realise that with this extra bike-unfriendly by-law you would have to seriously outnumber meter wardens to make this work.

If you need another bikoi make sure you have it on a suitable day when it maximises profit reduction.

Cheers,
Peter, stuck in the Thai rice paddies for a while...

**happyguy** · 13th January 2011, 14:41

Many years ago Australia tried to ban motorcycles for parking on the footpath, it's wasn't that the rider didn't want to pay a parking fee but to save room for motorist other forums of transport for eg cars. So one week some of MRA riders decided if that was going to be the case then there was only one thing to do and that was to fill up the parking spots with 1 bike and not let any cars be able to park in any of the parking spaces as the parking fee is for 1 reg vehicle, now when this happened the people that drove cars were very upset as they had no-where to park as to go to work, therefore there were alot of people complained to RTA about the problems they were faceing. Now short end of this story if NZ want to put a parking fee on riders you could have it overturned by doing the same thing. Lets face it, a car takes 1 spot so could a motorcycle.

**kapiti_nigel** · 13th January 2011, 14:52

Petition signed

**cheshirecat** · 13th January 2011, 15:01

Does one have to be a welly res for this petition.

Because because we could post this on a few internatioanal bike forums -

I'll just checked wcc website and the only thing i can find is this.

"As a creator of an ePetition you will be responsible for raising awareness about it. This involves encouraging others to add their name to the ePetition. If this is not done, your ePetition may not receive any signatures. Council staff do not promote any individual petitions."

**oneofsix** · 13th January 2011, 15:04

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Does one have to be a welly res for this petition.

Because because we could post this on a few internatioanal bike forums

I'll just check wcc website.

It just asked for an address, didn't say residential, so I used my work address as that is when the parking most affects me.

**Sieffe** · 13th January 2011, 15:07

Ahem! (polite cough) I do go shopping on my bike . . . .saves a lot money when I have to work out how heavy the end result might be! hahahahaha!
Cheers, Sieffe

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Daftest thing I have heard since they made the motorbike parking spaces time restrictive - who the hell goes shopping in town on a bike?[/QUOTE]

**cheshirecat** · 13th January 2011, 15:11

Originally Posted by oneofsix

It just asked for an address, didn't say residential, so I used my work address as that is when the parking most affects me.

I just sent them an email

There are a few good bike website forums/facebook and of course these guys and their sister french web site - plus a few others.

hey have we done a facebook page on this yet! Stoney should we set one up? we/I could do it in two sparrows (or one traffic warden) farts

**cheshirecat** · 13th January 2011, 15:25

Just got this reply back from the council

"Hi Marc,

anybody can sign a petition and they are required to provide their residential address when they sign it.

Natalie "

we're on.