Unwarranted motorcyclist clocked at 204 km/h

[HenryDorsetCase]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

[scumdog]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

AND the roads they do those speeds on tend to be better than ours - and with centre-dividers too...

[onearmedbandit]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

I remember reading somewhere once that it was about US$2000 to sit your license and hours of training. So I went looking and found this...

Germany is a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs over $2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life. (As of 2013, the German license must conform to the EU term of 10 or 15 years.)...................................... The practical, on-the-road training time has to include night driving, autobahn experience, in-town driving, and a multitude of other driving situations. The test for a German driver’s license includes questions about the mechanical aspects of an automobile, in addition to the usual examination on the rules of the road...

Linky

[HenryDorsetCase]

ooooh, good stuff

You will see speed limit signs (round) posted much less often in Germany than in the U.S. But German drivers are expected to know the law. In cities and towns, the speed limit (Tempolimit) is 50 km/h (31 mph) unless otherwise posted. In the last decade or so, the "30-Zone" has gained great popularity. These are residential areas with a posted 30 km/h (18 mph) speed limit to protect children and pedestrians who live in the neighborhood. On normal two-lane highways the limit is 100 km/h (62 mph). Cars towing trailers must stay under 80 km/h (50 mph). The autobahn has a “suggested” speed limit of 130 km/h (80 mph), a suggestion widely ignored by many Mercedes and Porsche drivers. They may suddenly appear out of nowhere, close behind, blinking their brights to move you out of their way. Not even $5.00-per-gallon gasoline can make most German drivers slow down.

In Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, children under the age of 13 are not allowed to sit in the front seat of any vehicle that has a back seat. Seat belts are mandatory for the driver and all passengers in the car, front and back

Cars marked “Fahrschule” (driving school) mean a student driver may be at the wheel. However, you don’t have too much to worry about; in typical thorough German fashion, Fahrschule cars are equipped with dual controls so that the instructor can take over any time the student gets into serious trouble. The practical, on-the-road training time has to include night driving, autobahn experience, in-town driving, and a multitude of other driving situations. The test for a German driver’s license includes questions about the mechanical aspects of an automobile, in addition to the usual examination on the rules of the road

[YellowDog]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

If our authorities and Police have a very poor and limited understanding of the actual road safety issues, which I believe to be the case, then there is no hope for any improvement.

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

It can't be anything to do with the quality of the roads or low driving standards

Oh it must be they're all going too fast

[HenryDorsetCase]

If our authorities and Police have a very poor and limited understanding of the actual road safety issues, which I believe to be the case, then there is no hope for any improvement.

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

It can't be anything to do with the quality of the roads or low driving standards

Oh it must be they're all going too fast

some of the fucktards I've seen are unsafe at any speed, including dead stopped. I'm sure you've seen them too.

[steve_t]

I remember reading somewhere once that it was about US$2000 to sit your license and hours of training. So I went looking and found this...



Linky

Mandatory minimum hours with professional instruction sounds good. Are there any arguments against having this?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mandatory minimum hours with professional instruction sounds good. Are there any arguments against having this?

My Dad's been driving for 24 years and never had a accident! He can teach me to drive good au!!!

thats the level of "debate" you'd get.

Of course the only response is (apart from a 9mm to the head) "He might not have had any "accidents" but how many did he cause, motherfucker?"

[steve_t]

My Dad's been driving for 24 years and never had a accident! He can teach me to drive good au!!!

thats the level of "debate" you'd get.

Of course the only response is (apart from a 9mm to the head) "He might not have had any "accidents" but how many did he cause, motherfucker?"

What if he's a good driver but a shit teacher?

[mashman]

Mate you missed my contextual point

IF we crash AT SPEED we ARE 18x more likely to be seriously hurt....
But again we are not 18x more likley to CRASH, no sir no way uh aaaah! (wobbles head sideways with hands on hips)

I'd love to see the information these stats were generated from...

18x ... only if you split the road users up in to their user groups and use those numbers in your calculations... same as the ACC Levy calculation. It's not the road user, it's the vehicle . That's why I ignored your context... well, that and the fact that the safety equipment at 100+ in a car is "almost" rendered moot by the speed... Take the "user group" factor out of the calculation and you have an astonishingly different picture... or in fact just look at the facts ... 18x more likely at speed v's 78% of all road injuries does not compute!

[mashman]

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

Could it be because other countries can and do drive faster?

Ride through a 50 for 1 minute
Then blast away at 160 for 1 minute
Then go back to the 50...

That last 50 seems more like 30 right? Nothing has changed other than your perception of speed? Could it be that your reactions are up to speed, for want of a better expression and therefore you're less likely to crash? but that's just a theory.

[sinfull]

indicated

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That was K's i said, didn't make reference to how fast i was traveling !
Did 260 today , but making allowences for the gearing that's set for manfeild i'd say fuck knows ! Followed a truck down the highway, speedo said 140 haha sure as hell he was only doing 95 . Think i'm gonna be doing a few sproket changes on the 675 after the track day !

[Brian d marge]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

As part of my lie sence training over here , I had to watch a video on the chermans ( 2 -0 to us and an away game an all )
They do skid training , autobahn training and of course local roads ...

Quite a few hours of proffesional training , 15?? and its very expensive

unable to keep a job?? cant read or write ??? dont bother to apply for a lie sence

Stephen

[PrincessBandit]

As are half the comments...

200ks on a large modern bike is just a flick of the wrist

Flick of the wrist - back and forth, up and down, faster and faster until...

Fuck em i do what i want ........ till i get caught 3 times, then i walk for 3 months, then i do what i want !

Fuckin panzy site this is, 204 kph ? are you all club 250 now ?

Fuck you i need another drink !

Some of us want to live. Ride and live. Not ride and get wiped out by some wanky self centred ego prick who happens to lose control of his (make that his/her) bike when I have the misfortune to be on the same stretch of road as them.

[StoneY]

I'd love to see the information these stats were generated from...

Ask dr Lamb

Fact mate whether we like it or not, we are far more exposed to serious injury if/when it turns tits up, in serious crashes at highway speeds.
It was at his presntation these factors were dialled down, and there are just some scenario's we will always lose and crashes at speed on a public road is one of them.

Its not based on % of road users its based on reallity as far as 'more likley to be hurt'...size of fleet is irrelevant, as is number of incidents to ALL vehicles, cant compare apples with pears man

You cannot compare bike injuries to cars on mere numbers of incidents accross all vehicle classes, thats just using math to fool yourself bro.

You have to compare how bad the people are hurt and once at highway speed we do get hurt far worse as a rule when it goes to shit