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    Well it is an interesting question. After surfing the web a bit, I came up with a few points:

    Reduction of 'neural tube defects' seems to be described, just like the advertisement, as a percentage. In this case "up to 92%". Canadian studies quote 62%.

    The rate of NTD's is expressed in a "x per y live births" figure - how can you use "92%" (or "62%") to calculate against "1 per 1000 live births"?

    There are a wide range of neural tube defects, ranging from severe to so minor that people have them and don't even know. Which one(s) are being targetted, do they all get reduced by folate?

    To get the recommended folate dosage (.4mg) from bread, you'd have to eat 11 slices a day (at .135mg for 100grams or roughly .036mg per slice).

    In New Zealand, the expected change would be a reduction of NTD's by 2-3 births per year, or perhaps 11 per year, depending on who you talk to (from about 65,000 live births per year).

    Possible link between too much folate and cancer - is this even a concern if you need to eat 77 slices a week just to reach the RDI? EDIT => I see it is if you're a Norweigan heart patient...

    Folate is also present in a lot of other foods - leafy green vegetables, especially spinach, asparagus; legumes, especially beans and peas; to a lesser degree in most fruits; egg yolks; lentils; sunflower seeds; liver. So if you eat a balanced diet, why would you need to eat folate fortified bread anyway?


    Well, I don't see a strong case either way...

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    Folate

    interesting rumour is that folate is already in your commercial bread, not added by the bakery but in the flour when they get it. Guess that means it could already in the highgrade or breadmaker flours as well. If you are concerned it would pay to read the label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post

    heh, it's entertaining to see, sometimes... other times it brings out the rant in me ... I think this was my first proper rant
    Yeah ... me too ... It is entertaining ... and yeah, I'll admit I rant occassionally ... then I hear myself and think "What the fuck ? Why do I react to what I know is essentially bullshit?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofsix View Post
    interesting rumour is that folate is already in your commercial bread, not added by the bakery but in the flour when they get it. Guess that means it could already in the highgrade or breadmaker flours as well. If you are concerned it would pay to read the label.
    The USA and Australia require folic acid to be added to flour made into bread - so imported flour already has higher levels of folic acid (folate) ... Flour from New ZEaland-grown weheat does not have added folate.

    My understanding is that folate already occurs in wheat and is therefore present in flour anyway ... what Australia and the US required is ADDED folate ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Yeah ... me too ... It is entertaining ... and yeah, I'll admit I rant occassionally ... then I hear myself and think "What the fuck ? Why do I react to what I know is essentially bullshit?"
    Heh... the WTF moments are many, as are the moments... it reminds me of how out of touch I am with the rest of humanity
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Different experiences than those mainstream would have you believe!

    Vaccines are possibly great if you have no bad reaction at all but that is not the case for many, apparently!

    Check this site out: http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/c...ine-death.html

    It's the crap (mercury, etc) they use in the vaccine make-up that is the problem.

    That and the "snake oil salesman" attitude of the pharmaceutical companies that make and market them!

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    The issue of vaccines needs to be kept in perspective.

    Much of the anti-vaccine propoganda is bases on hysteria around distorted (and often fraudulent) "research". I have yet to see any authenticated data that confirms that the occurance of autism, epilepsy etc is indeed linked.

    If there is any risk at all, it needs to be balanced against the greater good - for without the vaccines, the world would be a drastically different place.

    Those who wish to make an "informed choice" undoubtedly have the right to do so. But ultimately the health of their children will hinge upon others having their children vaccinated. As such, they are freeloading upon the healthcare of others - a fact freely admitted to by anti-vaccine parents I have spoken to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virago View Post
    The issue of vaccines needs to be kept in perspective.

    If there is any risk at all, it needs to be balanced against the greater good - for without the vaccines, the world would be a drastically different place.

    Those who wish to make an "informed choice" undoubtedly have the right to do so.
    True but:

    Unfortunately the freedom to choose isn't always available, the mass hysteria cuts on both sides of the coin!

    The reason I am interested in the pro's and con's of vaccination is the fact that our family do not react well to them, so I am very interested in what it is all about!

    It's too late to find out you or yours have a serious bad reaction "after" the damn stuff is in there!

    Only being dangerous to 10% of the population and a risk society is prepared to live with is fine for everyone except those who are part of the 10%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider
    The reason I am interested in the pro's and con's of vaccination is the fact that our family do not react well to them, so I am very interested in what it is all about!
    that explains a few things

    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    It's too late to find out you or yours have a serious bad reaction "after" the damn stuff is in there!

    Only being dangerous to 10% of the population and a risk society is prepared to live with is fine for everyone except those who are part of the 10%!
    The rest of us will likely find that out in 5 - 10 years time when new research will be released warning of long term side effects ... those side effects carrying themselves through the genetic pool with whatever mutations that throws out... I don't like the idea behind vaccines... as said before, i'd much prefer to be baselined and have the "base vaccine" tweaked for my particular physical deficiency of the moment... ahhhh, dreams are free
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    Your precious baby gets "one" shot at life and you let medics jab them full of stuff "without question" simply on "trust"!

    Once you have experienced your child's life fucked up by medical incompetence and misadventure you wouldn't do that again let me tell you!

    How many of these cock-ups are swept under the mat in our hospitals and medical practices in New Zealand alone?

    Statistics have been "quietly" published that it exceeds the road toll!

    It is difficult to become "informed" so that you can make correct decisions for your babies, other children or your self but it's too late after the damage has been done!

    Here is some alternative "information" for you to consider if you are interested:

    http://blog.imva.info/world-affairs/coincidental

    You must judge for your self of course.

    Oddly enough the reference to the Catholic church paedophilia is ironical because our baby was fucked up first by the medics and later fell victim to bastards in the church!

    And these people expect us to "trust them on face value without question"!

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    Im going to hijack your thread Mashy- This is something that Im sitting and watching at the moment and Im shitting myself!
    There is huge evidence that for some reason - The US are planning to create a huge eathquake in the mid US. not just this video.

    here are links to the FEMA Government procurement website. - see what the US government are wanting to buy .........
    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=list&pageID=2
    Freeze dried food for 7 million!!! plus all this other shit- there are pages of it!
    Retired- just some guy with a few bikes......

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave weta View Post
    Im going to hijack your thread Mashy- This is something that Im sitting and watching at the moment and Im shitting myself!
    No problem fella.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider
    Your precious baby gets "one" shot at life and you let medics jab them full of stuff "without question" simply on "trust"!

    etc...l
    but they are the experts ... we have no choice but to trust these fuckers, as distasteful as it feels. Whilst the scientist may have the best of intentions in mind, the mantra of breaking a few eggs continues and is accepted by the world as a whole as best practice ... but this is indicative of the shoddy practices of every industry... If I was more of a reader i'd probably get those books... although I shouldn't really have to and neither should he need to write them, but faster, cheaper, more efficient is the driver, health care seemingly taking very much the back seat...

    fucking unbelievable that they'd call that a coincidence
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave weta View Post
    Im going to hijack your thread Mashy- This is something that Im sitting and watching at the moment and Im shitting myself!
    With laughter?

    There's rather a large difference between "planning for a disaster" and "planning a disaster".

    Check out this vid:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNxgm3tdG0

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwh View Post
    Actually that's not the one I meant, though it's interesting nonetheless. Follow it up with this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HghEBxHvgg

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