Exactly how far out of touch...

**Grumph** · 26th January 2011, 05:55

[QUOTE=Ocean1;1129967207]Problem with that? You do realise that serfdom paid zero tax? That the full weight of society’s wider costs were born by the aristocracy?

And they reserved what medical care that was available for themselves....and education was a priviledge confined to the wealthy.

Relax mate, we're going down that path again now, won't be long before your Nat mates sell off the schools and hospitals.

Good luck convincing them you're "one of them" - after all you presumably ride a bike so fit the "underclass" profile.

**Clockwork** · 26th January 2011, 07:12

Personally, I don't have a problem with Mr Goff's suggestion, even if it probably will cost me a few dollars a week, just so long as the tax break isn't extended to beneficiaries. (I don't consider Super annuitants to be beneficiaries.)

**phill-k** · 26th January 2011, 07:12

So John Key comes out and says Goff's tax ideas are fiscally irresponsible, and will align us from an overseas debt / GDP ratio alongside Spain Portugal and Ireland.

Can someone enlighten me what changed in NZ's fiscal position that Key could give his mates a large tax cut and it was fiscally responsible but 9 months later Goff's ideas are not.

I voted for the Guy and hoped he was going to bring a new era to NZ but this is just the same old same old.

edit: Just remembered its election year, John was paying back his supporters, and now has nothing more to give so is attacking Goff rather than getting on with the job. I look forward to Keys election year promises, going to be hard to justify anything now without labour quoting his own words.

**Swoop** · 26th January 2011, 07:14

I wonder about the taxpayer forking out money on state houses for "the poor". With all of the disused military bases around, surely there are a few barrack blocks going spare?

Could save the country a lot of money while adding impetus for people to get away from the WINZ gravy-train lifestyle.

**Fatt Max** · 26th January 2011, 07:17

Originally Posted by Elysium

Don't worry guys, when Winston gets back into Parliament all our problems will go away.

Yeah, he was great in WWII was old Winston. Sorted them Germans out good and proper. Did a lot to promote beaches as well.

Mind you, he must be getting on a bit now but it would be great to see him back

**Scuba_Steve** · 26th January 2011, 07:22

Originally Posted by Swoop

I wonder about the taxpayer forking out money on state houses for "the poor". With all of the disused military bases around, surely there are a few barrack blocks going spare?

Could save the country a lot of money while adding impetus for people to get away from the WINZ gravy-train lifestyle.

Im sure there's some "security" reason why we can't reuse those buildings, god forbid the Govt did anything sensible

**rainman** · 26th January 2011, 08:17

Originally Posted by Swoop

...the WINZ gravy-train lifestyle.

Have you lived this "gravy-train lifestyle" for any length of time, or are you just talking out of your arse?

**MSTRS:Me** · 26th January 2011, 08:28

Originally Posted by hiss

From memory the top 8% tax payers pay more tax than the rest of the country combined,...

I can't believe no-one (else) spotted this little gem. Have another read and understand what's subtly NOT said.

**Banditbandit** · 26th January 2011, 08:44

Originally Posted by phill-k

While you consider this pray tell me what Key has actually done for the vast majority

LIke the good father he is, he's smiled at us every day and made us feel good ...

**Banditbandit** · 26th January 2011, 08:45

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Yup. Flat one-off annual cost.

What? you want money based on how hard I work?

Well ??? Don't you ??? Want money based on how hard you work, that is ...

**Delerium** · 26th January 2011, 08:46

Originally Posted by Swoop

I wonder about the taxpayer forking out money on state houses for "the poor". With all of the disused military bases around, surely there are a few barrack blocks going spare?

Could save the country a lot of money while adding impetus for people to get away from the WINZ gravy-train lifestyle.

I can answer this. The defence housing isnt up to the minimum standard required by housing NZ. So the members of the defence force who work hard and often in harsh environments get to live in conditions that are deemed not up to the standard needed for the bludgers.

Thats a bloody embarassing situation.

**Banditbandit** · 26th January 2011, 08:48

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I'd like to see a taxation system where you get 1 vote for every $10,000 tax you pay. If you're not a taxpayer i.e. a beneficiary whose income comes entirely from other taxpayers, then you don't get a vote. Why should we have a system that allows takers to take more by giving them the ability to vote for political parties that support and perpetuate that ethos? My enhanced system would actually provide an incentive for people to pay more tax, particularly if your total contribution was close to a $10,000 trigger point that gained you one more vote.

And when you are no longer an earner and tax-payer? When you go on Government super and become a beneficiary ??? No votes for you then ...

**Banditbandit** · 26th January 2011, 08:51

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Problem with that? You do realise that serfdom paid zero tax? That the full weight of society’s wider costs were born by the aristocracy?

Only patly true ... EVERYTHING the serfs created went to the nobles ... apart from essentials to stay alive ... and the nobles were paid first - serfs got to live only if they produced a surplus ...

So that was the local tax ... paid to the nobles ... that became the noble's income .. which was taxed ....