I think it's a case of, we won't know until we try.Originally Posted by MSTRS
What have we got to lose?
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I think it's a case of, we won't know until we try.
What have we got to lose?
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And rightly so John,
Yes, I agree that there is a hidden agenda in all of this and it is slowly revealing itself.
As a biker community, we have an opportunity to fully expose the flaws and all the other bullshit surrounding the levy increases in the first place by activley working, lobbying, protesting and personally demonstrating our cause. If we succeed, we have the further ammo we need.
At this stage we are perceived as a bunch of disgruntled bikers who, in the eyes of Joe Public, 'got what they want and are still moaning'. Thats the perception, we need to change that.
By working together to reduce the stats by a combination of lobbying, protest, personal action, self responsibility etc, we then have the edge to take the whole stealth taxation and hidden agenda fight to the wider public. After all, we have said all along 'Who's Next'.
And this goes for both the present and future policy makers. Doesnt matter if its National, Labour whoever, they all have to be taken to task.
Devil's advocvate is a good standpoint but I suppose it's up to us to make sure this is not the reality.
Again, what the fuck do I know.....
The instructions are simple...
Those are exactly the sort of responses I was hoping for, thanks.
So - we can continue the fight, and maybe we can get satisfaction. Or we could be wasting our energies.
But either way - being pro-active is worth the effort.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Exactly,
Two very important elements to this I believe,
1 - Keep the pressure on, and
2 - Do not divide as a community. That is a win for the pollies hands down
It doesnt matter which group you belong to, it's the community as a whole that needs to fight this. Our apathy is the weapon of our enemy, the biker community is so much better than that.
Watchful Old Bird
Apathy is not the problem. It's the divisions and 'pissing competitions' that hurt us all most. We need to agree to disagree in private and be united in public.
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I agree, and these competitions cause people to throw their hands up in the air, and from there comes the apathy.
Its a combination of all.
I for one want to see cohesion in this. Yes there are differing opinions but the worst that can happen is a division. As I have said, that is the one result the pollies will love in all of this.
Personally, I dont agree with the increases and I dont agree with the MSL but it's here now and we still have the chance to challenge it. United as a community can be the only way
Come warm yourself by the fire
What he said.
Learn from the Maori parties mistakes.
Reactor Online. Sensors Online. Weapons Online. All Systems Nominal.
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
Gareth may be a smart man but he's also a very wealthy man who supports most of the right wing crap National inflicts on the masses.
For me, the interview on TV when this was announced was telling: not a single word about the unfairness of the levvies, the dangers bike riders face because of bad policy, bad road works etc and not a word on the fact that $2 million is barely a piss in a bucket when it comes to what should be a major project.
My pick is that Morgan is there because National sees him as someone who will help them promote their agenda.
I hope he proves me wrong but I'm not holding my breath
on the up
Don't agree Mike.
I saw the same article and Gareth said car users need to take responsibility for bike accidents on the telly.
In the official press release on the MSL Nick Smith said:
“Motorcycling is an efficient means of transportation and a popular recreational pursuit but a fatality a week is unacceptable. Motorcyclists are going to need to be more safety conscious, but other road users and road designers are also going to have to change to reduce the motorcycle road toll,” Dr Smith said.
Also... my understanding is that the Government wanted Mike Noon (AA) to chair this Council, but the MSL members unanimously argued for Gareth Morgan to be chosen instead, and the AA has found itself on the outer on this one.
Meantime ACC Minister Nick Smith needs to pay urgent attention to cycle safety and is challenging him to set up a similar fund and Advisory Committee as he has done for motor cyclists, Labours Transport Safety spokesperson Darien Fenton says.
I wonder how this will be paid for? I will not be happy if it comes straight out of ACC funds and will expect to ask questions in that case. We may have to ask some of our Labour contacts for clarification on what they expect here.
Likewise I think we need some clarification from Phill Goff about his statement on Parliament steps that "Labour would unequivocally revoke the ACC levy changes if they got into Parliament."
Don't forget it's an election year.
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
Nick Asswipe Smith is involved.
the only smart position at this point therefore is to expect it to be a whitewash or a screwover.
Smith totally disrespected bikers last time and i am certain he hasn't chaged his spots
Anyone thinking at the outset that this is a good thing has already been halfway suckered just like last time Nick Asswipe Smith got involved in our issues
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Not that I saw in the 2.5 hours we had our discussions in Nicks office dude. He aint no National Yes man at these meetings, I was there.
Hes smart enough to not waste his energy on an already lost battle, however he did press the Minister to look toward one levy on the owner NOT on the bike - so where do you get this idea he is onside with what National forced on us? Because he's rich?
If ANYONE can oversea the re-investment of the fund while its building and awaiting projects to be spent on, who else would be better than him? Not you thats for sure (or me either)
Your so wrong about that dude, but feel free to keep breathing. He took the Minister and other officials to task on his reservations in my presence so back up a little on judging somone you have not yet had the opportunity to have a face to face conversation over Motrcycle ACC levies with.
I have .... and I was impressed with his attitude and approach as well as his passion for Motorcycling.
The one thing I found hard to swallow was he has a very 'Katman like' attitude to our road behaviour... OMG another one!
Just ride.
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Fair comment mate,
So how do we beat him? That, to me, is what we need to concentrate on now
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Hey look! Divisions!
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
the first thing is to refuse to play his game and that's what this thing is. let gareth do his thing but don't let that be a big deal.
if BRONZ, MAG Ulysseus etc get on board with that spin too far; it's all gonna end the same with those who represent us claiming they made a difference when all that rteally happened was that National got what they always wanted in the first place.
one of the MAG people asked me to offer my advice in a PM: i did that but have not heard from them since
the answer is the same as it was before they fucked us over last time: make a big noise and don't just go for bike rides.
don't fuck the media around by not turning up
don't trust the media as they are as bad as National and don't give a shit about us
in fact, it would be more newsworthy to totally disrupt a national media org in protest than it would to protest at Mick Asswipe Smiths electorate offices
it's election year and the assholes in power will use this to quell our noise;p they will pretend that this pissant $2 million 'initiative' is gonna make a difference and we should all wait (until its too late) after which time they will raise the rates again and laugh at our gullibility in their offices
don't divide; thats what Nick Asswipe Smith wants us to do. Last time too many bikers attacked cyclists and other members of the community rather than joining them in protest
you'll need to expose them, embarras them and make people hate them enough to vote for anyone but National but if you start too early it will all be a wats of time
you have to think about this from the public and the medias perspective not from ours.
what can we do that will get attention and gain the support of the people of NZ?
going for another friggin ride, regardless of how big, is just another story about a bunch of 'bikies'; it will be forgotten in days
at the bikoi to parliment all the bikes should have ignored the friggin cops and all taken one car park each and handed out flyers to disgruntled tin top drivers
instead the wankers in power were let off the hook by poeple who purport to represent us and Nick Asswipe Smith was able to pick and choose who HE wanted to represent us; it was insulting
i can already see the result of this; a few small bullshit initiatives intended to placate and misdirect with fuck all done about the unfairness of the levy charges or anything really substantial done about the roads and driver awareness to make us safer.
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
stoney
like i said; i hope he proves me wrong but regardless of what you think; this is a Nick Asswipe Smith initiative and therefore a smokescreen from the outset
if you and those who represent us buy into this to the extent that you let it stop you from organising REAL opposition; you'll have helped Smith fuck us over again
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