Whine about something, just because you can.

[blackdog]

I play a bit of online poker.

It turns out I am a better tournament player than a cash/ring game player, but usually I can hold my own regardless.

So, the story. This morning I am sitting at a cash table, ticking along. Big blinds are 10c and I am first to act with J10 suited. I call.

(What I tell you now I know after the fact)

A late 2 pot raiser has 99, and the big blind has AK. He calls. (a fairly slow play really).

Flop comes A9K. I check, 9's check (a real slow play) so does BB slow playing two pair, again hoping to milk it.

Turn comes Q... not enough suited cards for there to be a flush out there so I've got all but the nuts! (can you see where I'm going?)

99 bets 2 pots with a set.

AK raises about 4 pots with 2 pair (he is well behind both of us at this point), and I'm laughing 'all in' with a straight!

Both of them call.

Only a one in seven chance I lose (only the 9, K's or A's left in the pack beat me), 5th street is a king.

Arse. I just lost $50US.

I've made half of it back up again since, but it still burns.

Whine over.

Anything pissed y'all off today?

[Bald Eagle]

Translation required that's all greek to me

[blackdog]

Translation required that's all greek to me

in english, my straight got beaten by a 7 to 1 outsider full house

[BuzzardNZ]

see this happen all the time. It's why I gave up playing real $ poker online, but as they say... that's poker. Part of what makes texas holdem such an intersting game, as sometimes when you think you've got the nuts, a nasty river comes along and busts ya nuts, lol.

Also, the better starting hand won, which I think is nice to see. Pre-flop, yours was the worst hand, so I wouldn't get too upset over it.

I used to play on poker stars, fulltilt and partypoker, mainly pot limit, but sometimes no limit. I played the $1/$2 tables mainly on fixed limit. Did ok too, until I realised I was spending way too much on it after a nasty losing streak.

[Grasshopperus]

in english, my straight got beaten by a 7 to 1 outsider full house

Must be why they call it gambling

[Milts]

Must be why they call it gambling

Poker is a skill game.

You were not 7 to one to lose, you were at 80% on the turn (http://www.pokercalculatoronline.com/) - one 9, two kings, two aces, three queens (a Q gives the 9's a boat) = 8 outs. Don't worry though, it all averages out in the long run, and poker is ALL about the long run.
I'm assuming you're a 2p2er? If not check out http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ - some awesome advice there. I paid the rent playing poker for the better part of 18 months, but the stress of the beats can really get to you. Just make sure you're rolled for it.

(By the way - 80% equity in a 50$ pot means you lost 40$ equity)

[blackdog]

see this happen all the time. It's why I gave up playing real $ poker online, but as they say... that's poker. Part of what makes texas holdem such an intersting game, as sometimes when you think you've got the nuts, a nasty river comes along and busts ya nuts, lol.

I used to play on poker stars, fulltilt and partypoker, mainly pot limit, but sometimes no limit. I played the $1/$2 tables mainly on fixed limit. Did ok too, until I realised I was spending way too much on it after a nasty losing streak.

I've had ups n' downs. As you say there is always luck in the river, but mathematical facts say over time if you have the right skills you can win.

(the real pros don't get there by accident)

At lower stakes the biggest issue is the randomness with which people play, when they have no idea about the real dynamics of the game. Thats when 5th st is most dangerous.

[wysper]

Which is why I guess you say some good players trying to end the hand before the river. Reduce the chance of a bad beat.

[blackdog]

Don't panic! I just won a 45 player tourn!

Not boasting but lets say i'm up 65% today (bad beat included).

(as i said, for some reason i'm the biz in tourns, but sometimes get a bit roughed up in the cashies)

[Milts]

Which is why I guess you say some good players trying to end the hand before the river. Reduce the chance of a bad beat.

That is beyond retarded.

As long as you get your money in good, you will profit in the long run. If I gave you a die and said I'd pay you $20 every time it landed on 1, 2, 3, or 4 if you paid me 20$ every time it landed on 5 or 6, would you try to settle for taking 5$ on the spot instead of continually rolling?

Short term swings are irrelevant. What matters is EV (Expected Value).

[blackdog]

That is beyond retarded.

As long as you get your money in good, you will profit in the long run. If I gave you a die and said I'd pay you $20 every time it landed on 1, 2, 3, or 4 if you paid me 20$ every time it landed on 5 or 6, would you try to settle for taking 5$ on the spot instead of continually rolling?

Short term swings are irrelevant. What matters is EV (Expected Value).

Surely an analogy for primary kids? Make it a (little) more difficult for the motorheads.

[BuzzardNZ]

Which is why I guess you say some good players trying to end the hand before the river. Reduce the chance of a bad beat.

Or on the flip side, take it to the river and try and extract more $ from them, but of course with the added risk of a bad beat.

Anyone ever seen that crazy Aussie ( via Lithuania ) named Tony G? Absolute nutter, but skilled player and very entertaining/interesting to watch playing poker on TV. Funnier to watch than Hellmuth and Matusow put together!

Incidentally, worst beat I had when playing poker ( well one that sticks in my mind the most ) was losing my trip aces ( starting hand AA ) to a K10, and I got the A on the river, which gave my opponent a straight. That hand, getting the river Ace was the worst card that could have come down. I was betting like crazy only to lose it , but those were my early days of poker, older and wiser now!

[Milts]

If this is turning into a beats thread:

Took a shot at 50NL (50USD buy in), even though I usually play Single Table Tournaments.

Muppet1 raises in early position, muppet2 calls, BTN calls, I reraise from the big blind with JJ.

Flop is J 7 2 or similar.

I bet, muppet1 calls, muppet2 minraises, I shove, muppet1 folds muppet2 calls with AJ.

Turn A river A giving him the higher boat for a $120 pot.

I stuck to STTs after that. Eventually gave up and got a job though because it's not worth the stress unless you're making serious $/hr.

[BuzzardNZ]

If this is turning into a beats thread:

Took a shot at 50NL (50USD buy in), even though I usually play Single Table Tournaments.

Muppet1 raises in early position, muppet2 calls, BTN calls, I reraise from the big blind with JJ.

Flop is J 7 2 or similar.

I bet, muppet1 calls, muppet2 minraises, I shove, muppet1 folds muppet2 calls with AJ.

Turn A river A giving him the higher boat for a $120 pot.

I stuck to STTs after that. Eventually gave up and got a job though because it's not worth the stress unless you're making serious $/hr.

sure, that's a bad beat, but you can't blame muppet2 there, I'd have played his hand the same way.

[Milts]

sure, that's a bad beat, but you can't blame muppet2 there, I'd have played his hand the same way.

I'd have instafolded an often dominated hand to an OOP 3bet and a raiseflatcall preflop. If I had called I'd be playing for 2pair+ only. Can I seriously show up with anything other than JJ, QQ, KK, AA or maybe a random 77 given that action? Easy fold on muppet2's part both preflop and on the flop. In my opinion (at that table), anyway.

It's all academic regardless, as people have said that's just part of the game and I'm sure I've given as many runner runner beats as I've taken.