Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Banditbandit]

What the hell!!

Yes. Exactly the point I was making ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Education is the key, of course, along with parental guidance and example. Children will do as they see, not as they hear when it comes to parents. They need good examples and to see the bad consequences of bad decisions. Starting from babyhood. Schools can be a huge help, but can't replace parents who have the major influence on their children.

How honest are you with others about why you smoke cannabis? The only reason to smoke it is to get stoned. You may call it relaxing but cannabis is a depressant and like tobacco has only a detrimental physical effect, (including paranoia), and can also lead to cancer of the throat, mouth, lungs as well as emphysema and a few other nasties.

Would you be open with your kids about that? Would you as a parent encourage your children to take up a health hazard for recreation?

like motorcycling, say? or drinking? or walking down the street to the dairy to get icecream?

where does it start? where does it stop?

[Edbear]

heres why: As an undiagnosed autistic the social problems I had from a young age found relief around surfing, the beach and cannabis. Like many 'loners' who find relief in the surf and cannabis, self medicating a reasonably benign substance is popular, and drinking is bad for your surfing..... The Daktory has a few autistics from birth, abused children, that sort of thing. okay Ed?

Fuck this

You're rather defensive. Given how you feel it is helping your condition, have you considered doing research to find out how and why and in fact whether cannabis has such a benefit? Wouldn't that give you huge credibility, and maybe win the support of the medical profession? People get Govt. funding for research, after all. I'm not taking the mickey, here. I said that you lack credibility and with your stance you're unlikely to win people over, but if you are genuinely concerned with a serious health issue that is affecting society and costing tax-payers and are wanting to help in researching it, you'll get a lot further.

As a sufferer you are in the best position to know how you are affected both by your condition and the medications used in the treatment of it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Isn't it already illegal to drive under the influence of both alcohol, (over the limit), or drugs?

It is human nature to be stupid and do crazy things, doesn't mean it should be legal when there are consequences to society that we all have to pick up the tab for. You'd have to come up with far better arguments than have so far been put forward here to convince the legislators to change the law.

How about this then:

you do to your body what you want to do: spike up smack, smoke crystal meth, roll a spliff the size of a carrot and puff away, all of thats fine.

but as soon as there are detrimental effects to others, thats where you cross the line: steal to support your habit, NO, beat your kids or partner because you are drunk, NO, drive under the influence (particularly if you cause death or injury) NO.

thats easy. Drugs arent the problem, people are the problem.

[Edbear]

like motorcycling, say? or drinking? or walking down the street to the dairy to get icecream?

where does it start? where does it stop?

You're way over-simplifying things and are in error, my friend. List the known and probable, (as against the maybe possible), consequences of smoking either tobacco or cannabis against riding a bike. Light to moderate drinking has few if any health concerns and only in heavy use does it result in health hazards. I've already talked about motorcycling and you do yourself no favours by using walking down the street as an analogy.

Smoking, either cannabis or tobacco is going to result in physical harm from the first puff and is for the purpose of self-harm. That's why I suggested to scissorhands that he actually do something positive to analyse where the health benefits come from. Like the pain killing effects, that is likey to result in extracting a substance and procesing it, which still leaves smoking it in the detrimental basket and unlikely to be legalised.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is it only harming themselves? It is clear that like alcohol, cannabis is detrimental to one's senses and driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, definitely is placing others at risk.

My problem with both is the reason why people drink and do drugs. It's not to get healthy and help other people, is it? That's what I was meaning. The lawmakers consider why the person wants to smoke cannabis and the answer will never result in a sympathetic hearing.

why do you ride a motorbike, son? its because you like to go fast and break the law, isnt' it? cant have that. BANNED.

Why do you support that political party son? they want to over throw the established order and cause disruption. Cant have that: BANNED.

Why are you a member of that religion, son? they're theiving bastards" BANNED.

Fark, we need a final solution for all these BANNED people. Hmmmmm. Lets confiscate their assets, then keep them all together in one place.

Fark, there's a few of them. Way too many of them. and more every day. We need a FINAL SOLUTION.


See where I'm going with that? thin end of the wedge and like that?

[Kickaha]

We need a FINAL SOLUTION.

Kill them all

[Edbear]

How about this then:

you do to your body what you want to do: spike up smack, smoke crystal meth, roll a spliff the size of a carrot and puff away, all of thats fine.

but as soon as there are detrimental effects to others, thats where you cross the line: steal to support your habit, NO, beat your kids or partner because you are drunk, NO, drive under the influence (particularly if you cause death or injury) NO.

thats easy. Drugs arent the problem, people are the problem.

People are the problem and therein lies the issue. Who decides at what point you are encroaching on the rights of others? What about the paramedics who have to forego their sleep and time with their families to come to your aid? What about WINZ who have to pay you for time off work? ACC to tend to your injuries? As I said, I just want people to think about the consequences of their actions and the effects on those around them when they decide what to do.

why do you ride a motorbike, son? its because you like to go fast and break the law, isnt' it? cant have that. BANNED.

Why do you support that political party son? they want to over throw the established order and cause disruption. Cant have that: BANNED.

Why are you a member of that religion, son? they're theiving bastards" BANNED.

Fark, we need a final solution for all these BANNED people. Hmmmmm. Lets confiscate their assets, then keep them all together in one place.

Fark, there's a few of them. Way too many of them. and more every day. We need a FINAL SOLUTION.


See where I'm going with that? thin end of the wedge and like that?

Again, too simplistic and missing the point. Not everyone rides a bike because they want to break the law and go fast. And I've addressed the motorcycle analogy recently.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're way over-simplifying things and are in error, my friend. List the known and probable, (as against the maybe possible), consequences of smoking either tobacco or cannabis against riding a bike. Light to moderate drinking has few if any health concerns and only in heavy use does it result in health hazards. I've already talked about motorcycling and you do yourself no favours by using walking down the street as an analogy.

Smoking, either cannabis or tobacco is going to result in physical harm from the first puff and is for the purpose of self-harm. That's why I suggested to scissorhands that he actually do something positive to analyse where the health benefits come from. Like the pain killing effects, that is likey to result in extracting a substance and procesing it, which still leaves smoking it in the detrimental basket and unlikely to be legalised.

so hash brownies are OK? Just checking: Ive got some in the oven.

[HenryDorsetCase]

People are the problem and therein lies the issue. Who decides at what point you are encroaching on the rights of others? What about the paramedics who have to forego their sleep and time with their families to come to your aid? What about WINZ who have to pay you for time off work? ACC to tend to your injuries? As I said, I just want people to think about the consequences of their actions and the effects on those around them when they decide what to do.



Again, too simplistic and missing the point. Not everyone rides a bike because they want to break the law and go fast. And I've addressed the motorcycle analogy recently.

Aren't we talking past each other?

Primates have what appears to be a pretty deeply seated urge to get fucked up: monkeys knowingly eat psychedelic mushrooms, and then freak out, masturbate and throw poo. I knowingly drink five Hemingway Daiquiri's, freak out, mastubate and throw poo. Good night out had by all.

People have smoked stuff, eaten stuff, and drunk stuff to get fucked up for as long as there have been people. The issue I have is that picking and choosing what is "OK", and what is not at any given point in society says more about that society than it does about the drug itself. Case in point: (and because I am watching it on the telly) alcohol prohibition in the 1920's in the US.

I suggest that limited cannabis use is no more detrimental to the average punter than limited alcohol use is. Hysteria aside. I also believe that demonstrably, prohibition does not work.

[Usarka]

Ingesting marijuana is not necessarily bad for you. If it was why have is it a valid medical treatment in california?

Re throat & lung cancers you can avoid these by using vaporisers, or eating the stuff....

BTW has anyone seen my car?

PS - NZ law has a provision basically accepting that most kiwis know what marijuana looks and smells like. That wouldn't be the case unless a large percentage of kiwi's use or have used it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're way over-simplifying things and are in error, my friend. List the known and probable, (as against the maybe possible), consequences of smoking either tobacco or cannabis against riding a bike. Light to moderate drinking has few if any health concerns and only in heavy use does it result in health hazards. I've already talked about motorcycling and you do yourself no favours by using walking down the street as an analogy.

Smoking, either cannabis or tobacco is going to result in physical harm from the first puff and is for the purpose of self-harm. That's why I suggested to scissorhands that he actually do something positive to analyse where the health benefits come from. Like the pain killing effects, that is likey to result in extracting a substance and procesing it, which still leaves smoking it in the detrimental basket and unlikely to be legalised.

Bearing that in mind, do you acknowledge the hypocrisy that tobacco is "legal" and cannabis is not? Surely, if "the only purpose is self harm" then both tobacco and cannabis should be illegal? And given tobacco is NZ's leading cause of preventable death* then you must be campaigning vigorously for it to be made unlawful?


*don't ask me for a source for that: I think i read it on a billboard or saw a TV ad or something.

[MSTRS:Me]

...reefer madness....

[avgas]

Going by some of the absolutely beautiful women at The Daktory, as of late, some stoner guys must be fairly sharp, or those lovelies actually enjoy cannabis too!

Just ask if they give or take head.

Now don't get me wrong - I have nothing against those whom have the occasional doob or 2. I was one of them. Its a wonderful plant.

I only have problems with people who feel the need to dedicate part of their life towards it, or have to go to places like the Daktory, or protest/parade around about it.

Its right up there with burning bra's and unions as far as I am concerned.

Mary J is a personal thing that should be concealed and smoked. Not heard.
Rubbing it in peoples faces is like wearing chapless leathers to a Honda Riders Club do.
After-wards you won't know what happened, you will feel proud for no reason at all, and your arse will hurt.

[Maha]