PM confirms Nov 26 election date

[Banditbandit]

made me snort my coffee.

Yeah .. I had to wipe my keyboard after that one ...

[Brian d marge]

Key is a good dude and he needs to be in another term to sort out the terrible beneficiary system!

People constantly complain about student loans but really the government is losing a whole lot more in the student allowance system. Do people know that thousands of the students get around $160 per week that is a benefit that they'll never have to pay back! You get that if your parents "taxable income" is under about 60,000 per year and you attend university.

Now private school kids with parents that own their own business have a "taxable income" of less than 60,000 per year. Yet they were going to a school that cost their parents 13k a year. They get a free 5k a year from the government!

I because I'm just a typical european with a dad on a straight taxed wage has no way to get around it and so I get nothing. I have to work 13 hours a week to get what they get for nothing, when I could be spending that time studying rather than working just to get enough money to get to uni. Though according to the government if your parents earn over that threshold they should be willing to give 5k a year to their kids...

They are legally bludging and get extra time off to get pissed, and I'm bloody working my ass off to try and get the same amount. Though I guess I'm advantaged in society because I'm a white male. So I deserve to have to work more.

Do a little more reseach , and come back to the table

The student loan is / was a mess there a wider issues , with it

Stephen

[MisterD]

No ... the info is not hard to find from other sources ... I don't rely on the Labour bullshit either

Doesn't change the fact that your argument is exactly the same one that the Labour Party has been pushing...

Now private school kids with parents that own their own business have a "taxable income" of less than 60,000 per year. Yet they were going to a school that cost their parents 13k a year. They get a free 5k a year from the government!

I because I'm just a typical european with a dad on a straight taxed wage has no way to get around it and so I get nothing. I have to work 13 hours a week to get what they get for nothing, when I could be spending that time studying rather than working just to get enough money to get to uni. Though according to the government if your parents earn over that threshold they should be willing to give 5k a year to their kids...

^^^
This is why Labour will lose the election IMO, if Goff can't get people like superman -who appear to be a traditional Labour constituency- to vote for him he's toast.

[Banditbandit]

^^^
This is why Labour will lose the election IMO, if Goff can't get people like superman -who appear to be a traditional Labour constituency- to vote for him he's toast.

Huh ?? He comes across to me as a typical non-thinking national voter

[MisterD]

Huh ?? He comes across to me as a typical non-thinking national voter

Whatever. If Labour can't lock down the wage-earners (as opposed to salaried professionals) and their kids struggling to get through Uni they're headed back to the opposition benches.

[phill-k]

Key is a good dude and he needs to be in another term to sort out the terrible beneficiary system!

People constantly complain about student loans but really the government is losing a whole lot more in the student allowance system. Do people know that thousands of the students get around $160 per week that is a benefit that they'll never have to pay back! You get that if your parents "taxable income" is under about 60,000 per year and you attend university.

Now private school kids with parents that own their own business have a "taxable income" of less than 60,000 per year. Yet they were going to a school that cost their parents 13k a year. They get a free 5k a year from the government!

I because I'm just a typical european with a dad on a straight taxed wage has no way to get around it and so I get nothing. I have to work 13 hours a week to get what they get for nothing, when I could be spending that time studying rather than working just to get enough money to get to uni. Though according to the government if your parents earn over that threshold they should be willing to give 5k a year to their kids...

They are legally bludging and get extra time off to get pissed, and I'm bloody working my ass off to try and get the same amount. Though I guess I'm advantaged in society because I'm a white male. So I deserve to have to work more.

Tell me are you doing a masters or something in oral and written English by any chance

[superman]

Tell me are you doing a masters or something in oral and written English by any chance

Lol, obviously as you can tell I hate essay writing and english as a subject with a passion. Straight equations/mechanical problems for me. Guess I really should polish up on my blithering mayhem splurges.

Although after all... to do english I'd have to be doing a Bachelor of Arts.

[superman]

Huh ?? He comes across to me as a typical non-thinking national voter

Do tell me who put in place the current level of welfare bullshit we have?

Aww we need to pay all those poor single mothers who got knocked up when they have no money and no education. They're obviously prone to good life choices.

Those poor benificiaries who have been on the dole for years, society has really let them down. We should increase the dole value so it's even easier to actually live on it rather than make it an amount that just covers necessities.

High level of borrowing from the government to pay bills is a big issue due to NZ's absolutely dire credit situation. National is still going through cutting back whatever bureaucratic crap the Labour party dreamed up to create "jobs". Ooo yay we could all do with more bureaucrats, that's good for the country. Bet if labour got back in they'd start "creating more jobs" for the unemployed and then we'd get another good dose.

Do you think Labour would cut back spending more than National? No, they'd probably fork out more for votes with some crap about "lower GST at least for fruit". And increase taxes on higher income earners/businesses as labour loves to play the mixing money around society game. I don't want to have some government that penalises people reaching the top in their given profession. That just gives them even more reason to bugger off overseas, which would then doom the economy to crap unless we had an unskilled workforce useful of shoving into mines? We'd borrow more and we'd end up even more in the shits, I would much rather have ACT become the majority power than Labour at the moment.

Key has acted superbly as a leader of the National party, he is creating a much more efficient governent with the tools available. Keeping skilled professionals in the country to try and get the economy out of its slump as well as increasing prospects for NZ to have greater trade relations with the worlds most powerful countries.

Surely some of you guys remember NZ back in the 60's. Top of the world in education and standard of living next to Switzerland. And now we're in 30th place or something for the developed world. This country has the means to get back up there, and we need someone who truly sees the big picture. Quite frankly Goff seems to live in some tiny little place between here and the next election.

Education is supposed to improve constantly. Not head back into the dark ages, no wonder my girlfriends 16 year old friends can't comprehend anything more than the gossip written within a womens weekly, and one of them already got pregnant and had a kid! I can't remember learning a thing from teachers in Primary other than it was naughty to write stories in class about people being smacked with dildos. I had my own books on maths my parents bought me I just went through. I remember a teacher telling me once a spacecraft started accelerating it kept accelerating forever...

[phill-k]

Surely some of you guys remember NZ back in the 60's. Top of the world in education and standard of living next to Switzerland. And now we're in 30th place or something for the developed world. This country has the means to get back up there, and we need someone who truly sees the big picture. Quite frankly Goff seems to live in some tiny little place between here and the next election.

Education is supposed to improve constantly. Not head back into the dark ages, no wonder my girlfriends 16 year old friends can't comprehend anything more than the gossip written within a womens weekly, and one of them already got pregnant and had a kid! I can't remember learning a thing from teachers in Primary other than it was naughty to write stories in class about people being smacked with dildos. I had my own books on maths my parents bought me I just went through. I remember a teacher telling me once a spacecraft started accelerating it kept accelerating forever...

Interesting you compare us to Switzerland, whilst we in NZ go silly spending John Keys tax cut did you know that Switzerland still has a personal tax rate about 10% greater than ours, stamp duty on a large number of financial transactions, property and wealth tax, as well as a superannuation and health tax.

There population are among the happiest in the world and funny they still have those top earners remaining in the country, so what does that tell you?

[superman]

Interesting you compare us to Switzerland, whilst we in NZ go silly spending John Keys tax cut did you know that Switzerland still has a personal tax rate about 10% greater than ours, stamp duty on a large number of financial transactions, property and wealth tax, as well as a superannuation and health tax.

There population are among the happiest in the world and funny they still have those top earners remaining in the country, so what does that tell you?

Higher tax is definitely something the government should work up to eventually, but not when the economy is the way it is at the moment. They should be encouraging business to build and the tax cuts are supposed to help people do that.

I would be fine with a higher tax system if we had a government as effecient as that, but we'd have to get away from the whole English system of party/leader votes and encourage politicians to actually work together, not bicker away at eachother.

Switzerland has a consesus government which is actually democratic. Here when I vote I get to choose the party and leader, and then they'll make all the decisions. In Switzerland any large decision of major importance is put straight back onto the people through BINDING referendums. So even if your leader of choice didn't get in, the actual majority of people have power, not some party that happened to not even get 50% of the countries vote!

Plus... their higher tax is easily offset by their higher wages. Average wage of $84,000 NZD. If we had that, sure take away some more bet I'd still be happy.

[shrub]

Give me someone like clark at least she had an air of dignity and perhaps aloofness but for fucks sack did he learn nothing from his interviews with Paul Henry, he is gullible likes to be liked and can be taken in very very easily and you want him for PM no wonder we are still floundering around

Quote from a piece in the herald

In an interview on Tony Veitch's Radio Sport breakfast show on Friday, Mr Key was asked if he would like to be Australian cricketer Shane Warne, and replied: "Yeah, well given his current liaisons with Liz Hurley."

"I like Liz Hurley actually. I reckon she is hot," Mr Key said.

He later said actress Jessica Alba "looked pretty hot", and described Angelina Jolie as "not too bad" either.

and the article

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10703662

I know I know u all who support the fuckwit will say he is only stating the obvious, yes it is but as a PM you need to know when to open your mouth and when to keep your thoughts very much to yourself, actually this is a trait of an autocrat / dictator, a person who doesn't actually realise his position or who doesn't actually care.

Then we have this little gem:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10703972

Our Beloved Leader is a lighweight and a bit of a flake - I wonder if he used an astrologer to set the election date.

[shrub]

Key is a good dude and he needs to be in another term to sort out the terrible beneficiary system!

People constantly complain about student loans but really the government is losing a whole lot more in the student allowance system. Do people know that thousands of the students get around $160 per week that is a benefit that they'll never have to pay back! You get that if your parents "taxable income" is under about 60,000 per year and you attend university.

Now private school kids with parents that own their own business have a "taxable income" of less than 60,000 per year. Yet they were going to a school that cost their parents 13k a year. They get a free 5k a year from the government!

I because I'm just a typical european with a dad on a straight taxed wage has no way to get around it and so I get nothing. I have to work 13 hours a week to get what they get for nothing, when I could be spending that time studying rather than working just to get enough money to get to uni. Though according to the government if your parents earn over that threshold they should be willing to give 5k a year to their kids...

They are legally bludging and get extra time off to get pissed, and I'm bloody working my ass off to try and get the same amount. Though I guess I'm advantaged in society because I'm a white male. So I deserve to have to work more.

Poor you.

[Banditbandit]

Then we have this little gem:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10703972

Our Beloved Leader is a lighweight and a bit of a flake - I wonder if he used an astrologer to set the election date.

And did you see TVONe news last night? The little twit mincing around on the stage ... no dignity at all - up there with his appearance on david letterman ... a brilliant demonstration of Pill-K's point ...

He'll do ANYTHING to get in front of a TV camera ... (He'd probably strip if he didn't think he would lose Family First votes )

[MisterD]

And did you see TVONe news last night? The little twit mincing around on the stage ... no dignity at all

Trouble is for you, the electorate seem to respond to his ability to not take himself too seriously...it's still such a refreshing change to Clarke's bile and spite and the smile that could reduce small children to tears...

[shrub]

Trouble is for you, the electorate seem to respond to his ability to not take himself too seriously...it's still such a refreshing change to Clarke's bile and spite and the smile that could reduce small children to tears...

The trouble is for us is that the kind of voters that can be swayed by a goober dancing about in RWC clothing with a new-age hippy bracelet are not the kind of people I want choosing our PM. Helen Clark had a brain, political nous and dignity - she also had great sense of humour, but it was quite complex which is why you never saw it.