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    Ed, just out of curiosity, have you smoked marijuana before? I'm sure you must have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Ed, just out of curiosity, have you smoked marijuana before? I'm sure you must have.
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    Rather facetious aren't we...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Ed, just out of curiosity, have you smoked marijuana before? I'm sure you must have.
    Only second hand. But the old, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it!" argument is a non-starter. I've never smoked cigarettes, or done Heroin, P, or many other things that are deterimental to one's health, either.

    The plain and simple facts are that smoking anything is a known and proven carcinogenic activity. Cannabis is by its nature a mind-altering drug used for recreational purposes and not everyone wants to participate in that.

    Marijuana use is by a minority of the population, not a generally and widespread activity with majority approval.

    The OP and his supporters simply want the law changed to decriminalise the use of cannabis and I have been pointing out why they won't succeed and what they may try instead, rather than engage in illegal protest action that will inevitably result in bad publicity and hardening attitudes against them by the very ones they want to convince.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    its the KB way.
    Yup, when logic, fact and reason start winning, attack the man personally rather than address the issue under discussion.

    If we can discredit the messenger maybe we can discredit the message... Very old political standard still in use today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Rather facetious aren't we...?
    You can label it any way you like, but it doesn't change the fact that your biggest problem with mind altering substances is that you can't handle them and therefore don't think anybody else should be allowed to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    In my experience, which I do consider to be substantial enough, most people that smoke weed just want to enjoy themselves quietly with a smoke. The number of people I have smoked with would number in the hundreds, and I can only think of one or two who liked drama. And they were the sort to attract drama with or without marijuana.

    Alcohol however, well that's definitely a 'look-at-me-look-at-me' drug. The hospital wards and police cells are full of alcohol-fuelled drama seeking people every weekend.
    I didn't necessarily mean it in that way - way many of them want to chill out and watch Bruce Willis/Arnie/Nicholas Cage movies .. plenty of drama on the small screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Not so fast, young man... I have posted my views on mind-altering substances as well in general and I don't agree with drug or alcohol use for the reasons I gave. I prefer to remain sober and in full control of my faculties and do not enjoy the feelings of a lack of control and awareness that comes from such. When I drink alcohol it is to enjoy the taste and I had a glass of wine last night with dinner. On a hot day I enjoy a beer or a Maverick, but usually stop at one due to the effects of alcohol.
    I can understand an argument of keeping something illegal for health reasons. But not because you personally don't like it.

    Alcohol is a mind altering substance regardless of whether it's one glass or six. Why is one glass of wine ok and not two? Because that is your choice? Many would argue that no wine is best, but it seems you'd disagree with them.... Imbibing yourself and then judging others for the amount they imbibe (or the drug they imbibe) seems a little hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Well what do you expect when you hang around with Maoris...
    Trolling huh ... (I did laugh ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Cannabis is by its nature a mind-altering drug used for recreational purposes and not everyone wants to participate in that.
    It's never going to be compulsory...

    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Marijuana use is by a minority of the population, not a generally and widespread activity with majority approval.
    Wrong again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Trolling huh ... (I did laugh ...)
    Totally, but I know you're not a cry baby

    Seriously though, the users you know are alway going to colour your perception. I'd wager that I'd probably have a different opinion on Harleys if I were to associate with gang members vs those old guys who's name escapes me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear
    Marijuana use is by a minority of the population, not a generally and widespread activity with majority approval.
    In the 1998 National Drugs Survey, 43 percent of males and 27 percent of females aged 18 to 24 years had used marijuana in the preceding 12 months.

    Source: ministry of health.

    In other words, just under half of kiwi males 18-24yrs admit to being regular or casual users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    It's never going to be compulsory...

    Wrong again...
    You have the stats to back up your assertions, of course...? How many cannabis users are there in NZ as a percentage of the population? What percentage of the population supports the use of and the decriminilisation of cannabis?

    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    You can label it any way you like, but it doesn't change the fact that your biggest problem with mind altering substances is that you can't handle them and therefore don't think anybody else should be allowed to try.
    No need for personal slurs when you know nothing about me. Why don't you just read my last post above, and try to address the issue at hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Only second hand. But the old, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it!" argument is a non-starter. I've never smoked cigarettes, or done Heroin, P, or many other things that are deterimental to one's health, either.

    The plain and simple facts are that smoking anything is a known and proven carcinogenic activity. Cannabis is by its nature a mind-altering drug used for recreational purposes and not everyone wants to participate in that.
    Thanks. I'm not disputing the health risks, not at all. So am I right in guessing that the following statement by you,

    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Not so fast, young man... I have posted my views on mind-altering substances as well in general and I don't agree with drug or alcohol use for the reasons I gave. I prefer to remain sober and in full control of my faculties and do not enjoy the feelings of a lack of control and awareness that comes from such.
    ...is in relation to alcohol only? I'm not stirring, well not intentionally. It's just I've met a lot of people who have a negative view on marijuana (losing control etc) but who have never smoked it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Marijuana use is by a minority of the population, not a generally and widespread activity with majority approval.
    You'd be surprised, I know I was, and still am, about who actually smokes. Just not everyone who does is keen to admit it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    The OP and his supporters simply want the law changed to decriminalise the use of cannabis and I have been pointing out why they won't succeed and what they may try instead, rather than engage in illegal protest action that will inevitably result in bad publicity and hardening attitudes against them by the very ones they want to convince.
    Yeah, I mostly agree here. While I have no shame in saying I smoke marijuana, I'm not about to go and flaunt it in public. To me, these people achieve nothing, and are an embarrassment. Just my opinion. But all I'm saying is they do no good for their cause.

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