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Anarchic Wild Child
Are you possibly suggesting that Pakeha New Zealanders are unified and agree on everything ?? That wouild really make me choke on my coffee ...Originally Posted by JimO
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
not at all but europeans are able to have a stable working government and from whats happened recently in the Maori party its obvious that they will never be able to work together without self destructing
Come warm yourself by the fire
Sorry man - usually your right......
But labour and national come to mind.
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Forum whore
yea but labour or national would never be in the same government
Anarchic Wild Child
Just like New Zealand's first post-MMP coalition Government? How about the John A Lee mess in the Labour Government? How about Muldoon's National Government demise and his calling a snap election (which he lost) ... Jim Anderton's New Labour and the destruction of the Labour Party in the 1980s ... all looks pretty self-destructive to me ...
How are those examples different from Hone and the Maori party?
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Just faidin away!
Can't quite make up my mind whether Honi is genuinely cage rattling or just dodging around on some other secret agenda!
Unfortunately it appears to be the latter and if it is, he will be doing Maori a huge disservice and only time will reveal how bad. (IMHO)
He is fast losing my appreciation of his raw but honest approach to politics.
He is all over the place like a mad woman's shit seemingly trying to milk the media attention as long as he can.
The Maori party and people deserve more loyalty and support than that which he is currently demonstrating but then again, I am not Maori nor am I a Maori party supporter.(says it all really)
Anarchic Wild Child
In many ways, Hone is reflecting the feelings of many Maori Party members and supporters - we feel that the party has got too close to National and has agreed to and voted for things that have hurt Maori - and other lower socio-economic New Zealanders, such as the increase in GST ....
We did not want the Maori Party MPs to go with National - they have, and all the things we expected have come to pass ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Just faidin away!
Just like they did with Labour!
Anarchic Wild Child
I'm not sure what you mean ... they didn't go with Labour .. weren't part of that coalition ...Just like they did with Labour!
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Moped rider
I believe that to be the case too. My party vote went to the Maori Party last election as a bit of strategic voting, when polls showed it was inevitable that the National Party would govern. My hope was that they would bring some sort of balance or at least some conscience objection to the policies of the National Party.... But alas such is politics....
Aio ki te Aorangi
that's the bit that has me "confused". It's the "mixed" messages that he's quoted to have said in the media... Culturally Maori on the one hand, and then Maori only on the other... from what little I know, that doesn't seem to stack up. I understand why Maori want the foreshore, rivers, land etc... because TPTB will take and develop the foreshore, rivers and land etc..., because someone has to own it
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Anarchic Wild Child
That's the important bit - the media edit what he says and present it in the most sensational ways ....
I watched TV1 news last night and thought "What they hell do middle class white men know about Maori politics and how are they qualified to comment?"
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Watchful Old Bird
Maori Politics ?
Do you mean the same as Female Politics, Rugby Politics, Cricket Politic.
The New Zealand Political system ( as in government ) ain't any particular colour last time I looked.
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeeesss ... errrr ... not quite what I mean ... How power operates (politics) is different in different cultures. In a way Hone pisses me off because he is good at using the Maori cukltural forms of power when it suits him and then the Pakeha form of power when that suits him .. he goes on about the Maori party and following tikanga .. but then goes running to the party's constitution with lawyers when that suits him ...
Our Westminster-style democracy is not a Maori way of exercising power and Parliament is nowhere close to tikanga. Within iwi and other Maori groups (and I don't mean Runanga, as they are a Pakeha constructyin not a Maori construction) power is exercised in ways different to our overall system. One of the tensions for the Maori party is this difference .. and Tariana being questioned recently about her regular consultation with Iwi leaders and how that affects the Maori Party, is a good example. Tariana feels she is answerable to her people, a Maori approach, but the news interviewer was expecting her to be answerrable to her party - We don't see the two ideas in conflict, but trhe Pakeha interviewer did ...
I had some doubts about a Maori Party in a power structure that is foreign to our culture - and now we are seeign the results.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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