Don't smack your kids...

[Coldrider]

Don't have kids.

That'll learn em.

Is that premeditated murder?

[Smifffy]

Is that premeditated murder?

Not yet, but I think there's a private member's bill in this year's parliamentary agenda.

[shrub]

was that it would turn ordinary, otherwise law abiding NZ citizens into criminals by making something that many of the do illegal - note I said "many", not all.

Couldn't we say the same about the drug laws? I pay my taxes, don't steal, don't kill people and have only hit my children once; but because I like a spliff now and again I am a criminal.

And Mary pays her taxes, doesn't hit her children, doesn't do drugs etc, but every now and again she'll eat the stuff from the bulk bins without paying for it. The supermarket calls it theft, she calls it sampling, but under the current laws she is a criminal.

John down the road pays his taxes, doesn't steal etc, but every now and again his wife gives him lip and he slaps her one - only to keep her in her place and stop her from giving him lip, yet he is a criminal.

Should we make all laws illegal? Or just the ones we don't like because they get in the way of what we like to do?

[shrub]

the people most vehemently opposed are usually the ones most passionate about tougher sentences for violent crime. The word "hypocrisy" springs to mind...

[Coldrider]

Where did anyone claim that this was going to stop children being murdered? Winston has already explained pretty clearly the reasons for the change.

How would you know if a shit load are never investigated.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4668...s-report-finds

[Number One]

How would you know if a shit load are never investigated.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4668...s-report-finds

Oh dear you did it...you started me. They are NOT doing a good job at all with this stuff!

Recent personal experience highlights a HUGE issue here...especially for kids that are very vunerable. I will be taking things further with the police complaints authority...especially given the comments from District commander Tusha Penny. She fed me a line of bullshit telling me that my son was the first kid with a 'developmental delay' that they had performed an evidential interview on...psychologists and ACC beg to differ! LIES LIES LIES.

They fucked up in our case...thankfully the abuser is actually putting his hand up and pleading guilty but if not he would've been able to get off scott free because of the poor police work done with the interviewing of my boy and 'unlawfully laid charges'.

I am taking it further...it's bloody disgusting the unprofessional and uncaring treatment we have had from the 'investigative team'

BTW I have nothing but respect and admiration for all the frontline cops that we dealt with...they were magic and respectful and caring. Pity once you get to the desk jockies you feel they don't really give a shit.

rant over

[Winston001]

How would you know if a shit load are never investigated.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4668...s-report-finds

Yes that is a shock that the policeing team for child abuse got no support or help, meaning reports were not actioned or else brushed aside. Police officers are parents too and I imagine there has been a lot of soul-searching.

However we can't complain that Section 59 (which provides a defence for disciplining your children) has resulted in the police ignoring complaints. The huge outrush of emotion over that awfully worded petition arose because 88% of people wanted to hit their kids - lawfully. Or alternatively, 88% were worried they'd be prosecuted for a simple hit on the behind.

You can't have it both ways - complaining about the police prosecuting parents and complaining they are not prosecuting parents.

Which is it to be?

[shrub]

The huge outrush of emotion over that awfully worded petition arose because 88% of people wanted to hit their kids - lawfully. Or alternatively, 88% were worried they'd be prosecuted for a simple hit on the behind.

I loved that referrendum - kind of like "have you ceased beating your wife?".

You can't have it both ways - complaining about the police prosecuting parents and complaining they are not prosecuting parents.

Which is it to be?

Police can prosecute parents as long as they're not people like us - good honest white middle class Christians who voted for that NICE Mr "what Limo sale?" Key.

[Coldrider]

The reality is Winston that the cops got snowed under, when questioned one of the D's said he put hand on heart and all except 29 were resolved (from 121 cases in a two month period), an outright lie and sorry for the kids involved.
I think it is a female D that blew the whistle.
It has nothing to do with section 59, and Howard Broad is in the gun, Rob Pope had an alert on this so he could save face politically, the Dom was very interesting reading this morning.