Who is sick of all the Waitangi bullshit?

[Hans]

Oh piss off you fucking tosser. Those that are from here probably have a right to complain about the way the feel they are treated, but you arseholses that get here and start mouthing off should just leave. Cannot imagine too many people will give a shit........ Pick ol' Smokkie up on yer way to the airport will ya.

Temper, temper... You big hunk of a manly man, you intimidating beast you...

[SMOKEU]

Oh piss off you fucking tosser. Those that are from here probably have a right to complain about the way the feel they are treated, but you arseholses that get here and start mouthing off should just leave. Cannot imagine too many people will give a shit........ Pick ol' Smokkie up on yer way to the airport will ya.

You should get that sand removed from your vagina ASAP. It looks like it's really starting to piss you off.

[jaffamont]

Temper, temper... You big hunk of a manly man, you intimidating beast you...

Thanks, but I like chicks.........

[SMOKEU]

Thanks, but I like chicks.........

It still doesn't change the fact that you're a complete, utter douche.

[oldrider]

This thread is losing it's way, can sympathise with school teachers trying to keep the kiddies on track!

[JimO]

This thread is losing it's way, can sympathise with school teachers trying to keep the kiddies on track!

its like herding cats

[SMOKEU]

This thread is losing it's way, can sympathise with school teachers trying to keep the kiddies on track!

It should get back to normal once Banditbandit comes back.

[popelli]

i do not celebrate waitangi day, nor the treaty that was poorly written, and shockingly translated, that has little relervence to the modern world that we all live in, the sooner we leave it as a piece of history, and move on to become one people under one set of laws, then the sooner we will prosper together,

plus one to that comment

[BoristheBiter]

...you do realise Dan Carter is Maori right?

Hell the majority of the Kiwis leauge team, the team that beat Australia in the 4nations, are Maori. And the Junior kiwis, our future in leauge, are all poly and Maori.

I'd hate to know how bad the 'white rugby team' and leauge would be without Maori and Polynesians. Would be embarrising to watch to be honest. If NZ Maori without their best players can beat England...sheesh Sorry bro but deep down you know this.

Not that i really care, but what a crock of shit.
Like the all teams of ooh lets see, England, south Africa, Aussie, France, can't win games because there are no Maori's in them aye.

As for how good the Maori team is, well they are only ever a second string team as the better player's, at the time, play as all blacks.

The league team that you say is so full of Maori keeps getting betten by some white guys from aussie, and when we were closer there where more white guys in it.

I don't care if Maori want there own rugby team but to think that you can't win games unless you are Maori just shows what little thought you put into that post.

[oldrider]

In defence of Honi, did anyone know there was a Maori seat called "Te Tai Tokarau" and who any of the previous incumbents of that seat were?

If he was anyone else would we be saying he is an effective politician, he "is" representing his electorate and getting his electors known about through out the country!

In politics, the only bad publicity is, "no publicity"!

Unfortunately, you can say the same thing about Sue Bradford!

[SMOKEU]

In defence of Honi, did anyone know there was a Maori seat called "Te Tai Tokarau" and who any of the previous incumbents of that seat were?

If he was anyone else would we be saying he is an effective politician, he "is" representing his electorate and getting his electors known about through out the country!

In politics, the only bad publicity is, "no publicity"!

Unfortunately, you can say the same thing about Sue Bradford!

I don't think anyone pays attention to a bunch of monkeys dressed in suits.

[RDJ]

and unfortunately, Sue Bradford says things...

Memory: I was once at the front of economy class on a work trip in Europe a few years back when she and some fellow Governmentals were putting up with Business Class on a publicly-funded junket. Let's just say that despite the visual barrier of the curtain there was little auditory evidence of fraternal fellow-feeling for the working class (the cabin crew) but a well-exhibited sense of entitlement from that travelling party sucking on the taxpayer teat. I was glad to be mistaken for a non-NZer by the cabin crew that day...

[RDJ]

At the moment there is a redress of past imbalances that is happening in SA. Which I agree with, but cannot live with.

This is curious.

Are you saying thereby that if one group of people oppressed another group of people, then later a different group of people - sharing some visible characteristic be it nationality, ethnicity, skin color etc with the first-oppressed - can and should oppress a fourth group of people... to get some sort of cosmic balance?

Even though those now oppressed did not, personally, oppress those first oppressed?

[Dean]

Not that i really care, but what a crock of shit.
Like the all teams of ooh lets see, England, south Africa, Aussie, France, can't win games because there are no Maori's in them aye.

As for how good the Maori team is, well they are only ever a second string team as the better player's, at the time, play as all blacks.

The league team that you say is so full of Maori keeps getting betten by some white guys from aussie, and when we were closer there where more white guys in it.

I don't care if Maori want there own rugby team but to think that you can't win games unless you are Maori just shows what little thought you put into that post.

NZ Maori rugby team have beaten all above mentioned as well as Ireland, Barbarians, Tonga, Samoa, Scotland, Wales except South Africa.

Not to mention NZ Maori in league tied with England recently, when the majority of Maori were playing in the Kiwis squad

*Some names from Kiwis Squad for 4nations plus train on, many were also still present when we won the world cup against Aussie.
Adam Blair - Maori
Greg Eastwood Maori
Lance Hohaia Maori
Lewis Brown Maori
Issac Luke Maori
Shaun Kenny Dowell Maori
Warea Haragreaves Maori
Frank Pritchard Cook Is Maori
Benji Marshall Maori
Jason Nightingale Maori
Sam Perret Maori
And then there's the islanders like the Beast Vatuvei and Junior Sau.

The Junior Kiwis our future in league, well dont believe me see for yourself. They won this game as well.


I'm not saying you can only win games if you're Maori but that the perfect combination of Maori, Polynesian, Pakeha makes us as a nation so successful at sport. And that we do make a big contribution to NZ's sporting industry. A country of only a few million ahead of the world in Netball, Rugby, Rugby League and many others its something special.

Peace, love.

[R-Soul]

This is curious.

Are you saying thereby that if one group of people oppressed another group of people, then later a different group of people - sharing some visible characteristic be it nationality, ethnicity, skin color etc with the first-oppressed - can and should oppress a fourth group of people... to get some sort of cosmic balance?

Even though those now oppressed did not, personally, oppress those first oppressed?

I am saying that for a long time, one particular class was oppressed to the extent that as an entire class they were left pretty much destitute. Thier entire futures and lives were cut down by having pretty much no tax spent on them at all, and the majority of it spent on the whites.


There was no public funding for black scolarships, bursaries, schooling, infrastructure in black suburbs, etc. Also, job reservation for whites in government run companies like the railways, busses etc (not sure if this was actually a good thing for whites though). While owning and running comanies was not banned for blacks (I think), there were also huge social obstacles (no mixing socially, no living in white areas) that made life extremely difficult for black people to compete on an equal footing.


The whites came out of it being mostly educated, and moderate to wealthy, and the blacks mostly poor and uneducated and destitute. The new government has (understandably) irate black voters who want a redress in the past imbalances, and a chance to get ahead, or at least draw equal. The government figures (probably rightly) that whites can now fend for themselves, and is pretty much spending all it can on blacks (or stashing it for themselves). I have no issue with this. Get the blacks up to speed education wise and infrastructure wise. The whites CAN in fact fend for ourselves for a while. Mummy and daddy can buy their kids sports goods, and send them to decent schools. And pay private medical aid. They mostly have had decent skilled jobs with decent pay.

But I believe that it should stop there.

When competing in the job market (or in sport), it should be the best person for the job that gets hired. Its the law of the jungle. International companies dont care how many black top management members there are, and the All Blacks dont care how many black props you have - they will kick your ass if you are weak. Hindering companies by insisting on black proportionality (where there are just not enough qualified black people) is going to mean companies going under and ultimately less jobs for all.

The SA government is going a step too far, and that's why I left. Job reservation was making me unemployable. I will not have my career (which my family and I still had to work and study hard for, and pay for) and my family's financial wellbeing sunk by these policies. These policies WILL lead to ruin if they have not already.


It will take decades to redress. Although Apartheid itself was only about 30 years officially, and teh new government has been in since 1992.