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    Amazing eh?

    It's been a whole week since this MSAC kicked off.

    You'd think the world would have changed by now...

    Wow. It's as if they had a life or something.
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Amazing eh?

    It's been a whole week since this MSAC kicked off.

    You'd think the world would have changed by now...

    Wow. It's as if they had a life or something.
    Pity they didn't muck around like this when it came to collecting the levy...

    Why would they post up broken links? How hard is that? How many 404s do you find on this site?

    I'd rather that the link from the pdf pointed to a placeholder page that simply had the Jan 21 press release on it, rather than a 404 - even a cheesy under construction gif would be better.

    BTW I am willing to be guided by your expertise in the timeframe arrangements of such matters and have a simple question:

    How long do you think it would be reasonable and appropriate to wait for a reply from MP Hipkins regarding my recent queries, bearing in mind that he is surely extremely busy after recent events?

    I'm thinking a couple of weeks to maybe a month is that fair?

    I don't mean for a fob off answer either.
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Amazing eh?

    It's been a whole week since this MSAC kicked off.

    You'd think the world would have changed by now...

    Wow. It's as if they had a life or something.
    StoneY had time to give us an update, I think he has a life too. I think motorcycling is a great big part of his life. It's a pity the other appointees, or as the ACC claims representatives of motorcycling groups aren't similarly enthusiastic.
    Keep on chooglin'

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    The answer is obvious....
    There's nothing at the end of that link, because 'they' have nothing they want to tell us.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    The answer is obvious....
    There's nothing at the end of that link, because 'they' have nothing they want to tell us.
    Same as companies new to the web,you goto their site and get "website under constuction",for me it means I will not return to buy,maybe the powers that be at ACC think similar to me on that,i.e put up 404's and we'll go away forever.
    Hello officer put it on my tab

    Don't steal the government hates competition.

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    Response received from Mr Hipkins:

    Hi W

    I'm not aware of any commitments that we've made regarding the
    Motorcycle Safety Levy. We're currently working on our manifesto for the
    coming election and I'm sure we will give a clear indication of how we
    see this and other issues affecting motor cycle owners being addressed.

    With regard to the MSAC, I've been keeping in regular contact with Brent
    Hutchison, who is the BRONZ representative on the committee. I was also
    a bit concerned about the late addition of the AA representative. I'd
    suggest that if you want more info on what that group is up to, perhaps
    you might like to get in touch with Brent?

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers

    Chris

    -----Original Message-----
    From: xxx
    Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2011 11:01 p.m.
    To: Chris Hipkins
    Subject: ACC Motorcycle Levy & MC safety advisory council

    Kia Ora Mr Hipkins,

    I am writing to you as an avid motorcyclist to enquire about your
    party's policy regarding the recently introduced Motorcycle Safety Levy.

    I have been told that you made a promise to return the levy to the level
    that it was set prior to the National party led government taking
    office. Is this correct?

    Furthermore I would like to know if you are aware of the activities of
    the recently established Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council, chaired by
    Mr Gareth Morgan?

    I understand that since the establishment and announcement of the
    council, ministerial intervention has resulted in the addition of a
    representative of the AA, an Automobile lobby group, to the council. Is
    this correct?

    In the interests of open and transparent governance, are you able to
    advise interested motorcyclists where they may be able to obtain
    information, and meeting minutes etc pertaining to the activities of
    this group?

    I have had some contact with some people that claim to be members of
    this group via an online motorcycling forum, however they tell me that
    they are unable to provide any information on the groups activities as
    this would be a breach of communication protocol.

    Whilst I believe that motorcycle safety is an issue of national
    importance, I don't think that it is a risk to national security.

    I would very much appreciate any information that you could obtain for
    me regarding this, particularly since the 'communications working group'
    of this council are proving to be so uncommunicative. All we have seen
    since the levies began to be collected is one press release and
    accompanying photo op from the Minister.

    Sincerely
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Interesting that he singularly ignored the question regarding the return of the levy rate to pre-National days.

    Speaks volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Interesting that he singularly ignored the question regarding the return of the levy rate to pre-National days.

    Speaks volumes.
    He didn't ignore it - he said that he was aware of any commitments being made, but it will be up for consideration in their manifesto. IOW don't hold your breath, and if you were on the steps of parliament when the alleged promise was allegedly made then you must have misheard. Maybe perhaps somebody mis-spoke (thanks GWB).
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    He didn't ignore it - he said that he was aware of any commitments being made, but it will be up for consideration in their manifesto. IOW don't hold your breath, and if you were on the steps of parliament when the alleged promise was allegedly made then you must have misheard. Maybe perhaps somebody mis-spoke (thanks GWB).
    yeh a while ago we tried to find a youtube clip of when the promise was made, but no luck unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hipkins View Post
    I'm not aware of any commitments that we've made regarding the
    Motorcycle Safety Levy. We're currently working on our manifesto for the
    coming election and I'm sure we will give a clear indication of how we
    see this and other issues affecting motor cycle owners being addressed.
    He very carefully phrased his response to only mention the Motorcycle Safety Levy - not the overall levy increase.

    Labour ain't gonna do jack shit for motorcyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    yeh a while ago we tried to find a youtube clip of when the promise was made, but no luck unfortunately.
    What promise?

    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    What promise?

    slippery motherfuckers eh! They should be recorded 100% of the time when acting in an offical capacity, and all recordings archived and available online.
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    It would suggest that the whole 'Riders are Voters' campaign is nothing more than pissing into the wind.

    Until the motorcycling organisations recognise the fact that the only way forward for Motorcycling is to address the way that motorcyclists portray motorcycling to the general public, we will continue to see all manner of shit fall upon us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    What promise?
    I was there, as were several hundred bikers on the steps of the Auckland War Memorial Museum and witnessed Phill Goff saying he would reverse the levy. Plenty of cameras there, someone will still have footage, of that I am certain Officially stuff may have been removed from web access, but I have no doubt it still exists also

    Ignoring the troll for a moment, Phill Goff called me Annie in front of a huge number of people, I still take shit as a result of that, good natured shit I might add. He knew my name, we had talked personally prior to his attendance at our protest, his office staff knew my name, all correspondance was in my name, but he still called me Annie. Hmmmmm. Obviously I was not important enough for him to attempt to remember my name.

    Thinking he will recall it really well, soon enough


    He will say what ever it takes to get a positive spin. He wants to be elected next time around. He will have to try a lot harder to gain support
    Quote Originally Posted by Gubb View Post
    Nonono,

    He rides the Leprachhaun at the end of the Rainbow. Usually goes by the name Anne McMommus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    Ignoring the troll for a moment,
    There's nothing trolling about my comments Anne.

    It's been sad to watch MAG-NZ and BRONZ attempting to score points against each other.

    I think it's time both realised that Motorcycling should be bigger than both of them put together.

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