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**shrub** · 4th March 2011, 05:02

Originally Posted by oldrider

Just because we don't understand Chinese, it doesn't mean that 1.3 billion Chinese who do are wrong!

Ken might just be right, personally I hope and believe that he is not! Time at least will tell.

A better analogy would be: just because we have never seen any evidence of a fat man in a sleigh flying around on Xmas eve delivering presents doesn't mean hundreds of thousands of children who believe in Santa Claus are wrong. The odds of Ken Ring being right about a major quake on the 20th of March are similar to the odds of there never being another one because my plastic Jesus statue is now blutacked to the ledge above the door.

**avgas** · 4th March 2011, 05:59

Originally Posted by oldrider

Just because we don't understand Chinese, it doesn't mean that 1.3 billion Chinese who do are wrong!

Ken might just be right, personally I hope and believe that he is not! Time at least will tell.

Just to poke a massive hole in your theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dialects

So lets hope Ken's theory is "Moon causes earthquakes in Chch" specifically......

**oneofsix** · 4th March 2011, 06:18

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Of which none showed that all herb are safe, so therefore had absolutely nothing to do with my post that was pointing out that just because it is natural it doesn't make it safe. Hope you can do better than that. How about having some Belladonna Tea to prove to me how safe herbs are.

Deadly nightshade is natural, it's a herb, so it must be safe, right?
Medicines are derived from natural substances, not just herbs. Unlike Homeopathy medicines are tested and approved, although not a prefect system at least a system that tries to hold someone accountable.
The placebo and its opposite, nacebo?, affects have been studied and reasonably understood and real, these affects apply to both homeopathy and medicine.
The drug companies still have thousands of substances to test for there effects so it is still possible the traditional healers have a trick or two over the drug companies.
Traditional healers are to homeopathy like the original substance is to the water the homeopath sells you, they, the homeopath, claim memory from the source, traditional healer, but homeopathy is a modern alternative movement IMHO.

You will be assimilated!

**RiderInBlack** · 4th March 2011, 06:57

Belief plays a huge part in healing. The mind controls a wicked amount of Hormones. so for me it comes to no surprise that healing is effected positively and negatively by at patients strongly held belief. I've seen people die because they believe they are going to die so strongly. People that tell someone that their problem "Is all in their mind", have no idea how hard that makes the problem problem to fix.
For the record, I am not pro-medication or anti-herb, I just know that no matter which treatment you use, you need to have the right knowledge to use it safely and effectively. Using ether without the right knowledge is just dumb and dangerous. Nether Drug or Herbs are safe. If you wish to use Herbs to treat your health problem, then go to a properly trained Herbalist just as you should go to a GP.

**oneofsix** · 4th March 2011, 07:03

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Belief plays a huge part in healing. The mind controls a wicked amount of Hormones. so for me it cans to no surprise that healing is effecting positively and negatively by at patients strongly held. I seen people die because they believe they are going to die so strongly. People that tell someone that their problem "Is all in their mind", have no idea how had that makes the problem problem to fix.
For the record, I am not pro-medication or anti-herb, I just know that no matter which treatment you use, you need to have the right knowledge to use it safely and effectively. Using ether without the right knowledge is just dumb and dangerous. Nether Drug or Herbs are safe. If you wish to use Herbs to treat your health problem, then go to a properly trained Herbalist just as you should go to a GP.

+1

**scissorhands** · 4th March 2011, 07:41

**shrub** · 4th March 2011, 08:38

Originally Posted by scissorhands

no we're not

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**mashman** · 5th March 2011, 10:13

Originally Posted by imdying

And yes, NASA know where there shit is going just fine.

You hexded NASA... $400 million

, they'll just have to spend a little more on one that works

**mashman** · 5th March 2011, 19:23

Just for the hell of it... Earthquake prediction site, not moon man related, but they are making regional "predictions"... could be worth keeping an eye on to see how their science, yes science, is going

**steve_t** · 5th March 2011, 19:27

Originally Posted by mashman

Just for the hell of it... Earthquake prediction site, not moon man related, but they are making regional "predictions"... could be worth keeping an eye on to see how their science, yes science, is going

They didn't predict this evenings Chch quake though. March 14-15 for NZ + or - 3 days? I guess that nearly coincides with Ken Ring. How are the predictions different when they both are using the moon to predict the quakes?

**mashman** · 5th March 2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by steve_t

They didn't predict this evenings Chch quake though. March 14-15 for NZ + or - 3 days? I guess that nearly coincides with Ken Ring. How are the predictions different when they both are using the moon to predict the quakes?

True. Young science maybe, dunno. Bullshit science maybe, dunno... perhaps if they all got together and shared their techniques, they may actually come up with a prediction model that works a little better than the current one. Shock horror, perhaps not all quakes are moon related. Could be that recent CME's from the sun have something to do with it. Could be that it's an "earth" quake, dunno... but the more info these guys get the better their predictions will be. If the ones they predict come true (they say on their site that they have a NEW model), then it's a step in the right direction I guess...

**shrub** · 5th March 2011, 21:01

I wanted to put plastic Jesus on a different door, so I pulled him down and hadn't blutacked him to his new ledge - he is now on the floor. I will put him back, but use fresh blutak, so I can predict that there will be some activity with daily aftershocks but nothing serious until the 21st of March when I'll remove the araldite. Then there will be a significant quake.

**oldrider** · 6th March 2011, 22:05

Originally Posted by shrub

I wanted to put plastic Jesus on a different door, so I pulled him down and hadn't blutacked him to his new ledge - he is now on the floor. I will put him back, but use fresh blutak, so I can predict that there will be some activity with daily aftershocks but nothing serious until the 21st of March when I'll remove the araldite. Then there will be a significant quake.

You have got as much chance of being right as anyone else has!

Maybe if you shoved some bluetack up your own arse and sat on the shelf with the plastic Jesus it would add some real drama!

**scissorhands** · 6th March 2011, 23:40

There must be a whole swag of celestial body data, sun activity, space dust, meteors, many other incalculable influences.

All on top of what earth itself is doing.... try as we seem to calculate an effect on the crusts at a certain time...add priors like recent crust movement, crust movement in apparently unrelated areas that may actually relate to and impact on your area of concern and I think you start to realize that accurate prediction will involve considerably more complex software programs and algorithms.

On top of that imputation difficulty, measurement methods of said relevant data has not been invented yet