National slashing bureaucratic jobs

[shrub]

Thought so, a conspiracy theorist. News: there’s been shysters longer than recorded history. They don’t generate revenue, they just shuffle it around.

No, I'm a marketer. It's us shysters who have made one thing valuable and sought after whereas something of comparable intrinsic value is seen as being worth less and less desirable. I love watching the work of my more clever colleagues make the populace bark and drool to the chiming of their bells.

It’s a unit of value. Simple as that

probably. But who's value? Who decides that item A is worth 100 units of value wheras item B (which is identical beyond the packaging) is worth 200 units of value? The marketers?

And then you have our dear leader's former colleagues who decide that by transferring 100,000,000 units of value from account A to account B those units are suddenly worth twice as much value as they used to be, so can withdraw 200,000,000 million units of value without actually having made anything, improved anything or even amused anyone. So is it the money market traders who decide how much money is worth? How come my Kiwi dollar buys more Harley Davidsons or Triumphs now than it did 10 years ago when the Harley Davidsons and Triumphs weren't as good?

Has the market decided that?

[mashman]

It’s a unit of value. Simple as that.

It's also the most powerful weapon on the planet. Sorry for butting in , as you were...

[Ocean1]

No, I'm a marketer. It's us shysters who have made one thing valuable and sought after whereas something of comparable intrinsic value is seen as being worth less and less desirable.

I'll concede half a point. Money is a unit of percieved value.

And again, shysters don't generate value, they just distort perceptions. My perceptions are not amenable to normal market manipulation, I don't hear advertising, if I want data for procurement purposes I find clean sources.

[shrub]

I don't hear advertising, if I want data for procurement purposes I find clean sources.

Actually you do - unless you don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything; you simply aren't aware of how advertising affects you. A clever marketer shifts perceptions and attitudes and does it subtly.

[Swoop]

I once worked for a CE who recruited one of his own Dep Secs, outside of the process. It turned out that this person was a regular at his home dinner table.

A perfect time for this demotivator...

[Toaster]

Our government is way too big for our population size. Redundancies are in order.

Agreed, cut backs from the front there our leaders. Be an example to what they expect of the rest of us and take cutbacks themselves.

[aprilia_RS250]

For all the people losing jobs as public servants sorry that's the way life works. If you're not needed, or are seen as excess, or there is a cheaper variant - goodbye. Think how good you had it during helengrad era where hard working joe was paying the 39c for every top dollar earned so you and 10 others could could do one man's job.

[Ocean1]

Actually you do - unless you don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything; you simply aren't aware of how advertising affects you. A clever marketer shifts perceptions and attitudes and does it subtly.

Not aware? How arrogant.

Advertise at me all you like, those clever fuckers aren't as clever as you might believe. I'm an engineer, I know how stuff should be made and I know how much it costs to make. When I see prices associated with products that are obviously blown out of proportion by advertising budgets, (or anything else) I make a note not to buy that product.

There's a bunch of manufacturers on my shit list. Some of them are there because they once sold me crap, some are there because their advertising or their corperate ethics are offensive. I wonder if any of them are your clients.

[firefighter]

Why punish workers to save money?

How about skimping on the lavish prison goodies like sky and heating. Hell, turn them into bombing ranges that'll save pletny.

Weetbix for breakfast, toast for dinner. Enjoy.

Next in line is Cletus and Sefu. Sorry, having a kid every 1.5 years is no-longer going to ensure a payrise for you.

THEN we start firing those who have to work for their bread. Who probably got degrees to earn the right to start an internship do their jobs.

[Banditbandit]

Not aware? How arrogant.

Advertise at me all you like, those clever fuckers aren't as clever as you might believe. I'm an engineer, I know how stuff should be made and I know how much it costs to make. When I see prices associated with products that are obviously blown out of proportion by advertising budgets, (or anything else) I make a note not to buy that product.

There's a bunch of manufacturers on my shit list. Some of them are there because they once sold me crap, some are there because their advertising or their corperate ethics are offensive. I wonder if any of them are your clients.

So, you are affected by advertising. You've just given us examples of how you modified your behaviour (NOT bought certain products) because of either the price or the advertising.

I'll bet there are plenty of examples which modifed your behaviour in the opposite direction - they'll just be harder to extract from you because you are not so aware of them.

[Banditbandit]

Why punish workers to save money?

I agree mostly ... cut MPs' salaries for a start.

How about skimping on the lavish prison goodies like sky and heating. Hell, turn them into bombing ranges that'll save plenty.

THat's about people management - take away Sky or heating and you'll have prison riots ... Sky and heating's the cheaper option.

Weetbix for breakfast, toast for dinner. Enjoy.

That's pretty close ... weetbix for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch - hot meal for dinner. We did sign the agreement on prisoners and human rights (yes, I know - but soem things are basic ... such as hot food).

Next in line is Cletus and Sefu. Sorry, having a kid every 1.5 years is no-longer going to ensure a payrise for you.

Don't disagree. But how to you take action to protect the children ? Cutting incomes has a direct impact on the children, who are the inocent parties. Part of me is in favour of compulsory sterilization after the third child - part of me is against that idea.

THEN we start firing those who have to work for their bread. Who probably got degrees to earn the right to start an internship do their jobs.

Hmm .. many of the public servants holding degrees are parasites .. middle class parasites who think they have a cushy job - I used to be married to one ... they are doing irrelevent jobs and should go ...

[Ocean1]

I'll bet there are plenty of examples which modifed your behaviour in the opposite direction - they'll just be harder to extract from you because you are not so aware of them.

I doubt it, the only likely effect on me of advertising blatant or "subtle" is complete disregard of the message other than another wee tick in the “don’t buy this shit” column. I’m aware that this isn’t the desired result, but then I’m not their usual target consumer demographic.

It never ceases to surprise me how much credence people put in assurances of quality from anyone advantaged by their acceptance.

[oneofsix]

I doubt it, the only likely effect on me of advertising blatant or "subtle" is complete disregard of the message other than another wee tick in the “don’t buy this shit” column. I’m aware that this isn’t the desired result, but then I’m not their usual target consumer demographic.

It never ceases to surprise me how much credence people put in assurances of quality from anyone advantaged by their acceptance.

Guess you never wonder why older fuckers aren't the targeted demographic of most advertisers. Too many cynical old bastards that are wise to their games.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt but you wont catch me out again.

[SPman]

..... I was tempted to let some of the 'doomed to be unsuccessful' hopefuls in on it so they could request an investigation into the appointment that was made...but I needed that job at the time.

And therein lies a problem - most people need their jobs to just survive and simply can't afford to rock the boat.......the power of money and the lack therof....... Probably no more than 5-10% of managers in any organisation, PS or private, have any clue or skill at managing people to get the best out of them in a win -win situation. The rest are just fucking disaster zones, spreading inefficiency, unhappiness, dispirited work forces and general strife in their organisations, which usually stagger along, despite management, yet management receive any kudos earned and staff get a large raspberry.....and I include parliament in this.
Proper management is about handling people, not money...in fact...accounts should be left to accountants who advise managers...accountants have no job at all, being managers....

[Ocean1]

Proper management is about handling people, not money...in fact...accounts should be left to accountants who advise managers...accountants have no job at all, being managers....

Accountant managers are SO 1990's.

Your fashionable board now considers HR managers to be the bees nuts. God save us from fucking experts, make employment law work properly and do without the bastards.