You can leave whenever you like

[scracha]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country

[oneofsix]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country

Noooooo. We want your money Pay up and you can leave. Of course they can stop you leaving if you owe money because to owe money in fines you must have done wrong and either admitted to it or been found guilty of it. Will they stop you leaving, now that is another story, I would hope so and if you make it out of this money trap you should be allowed back in and then kept in this debtors prison until you pay up. For Fuck sake do you want me to pay more taxes to make up for your miserable miserly hide.

[pzkpfw]

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

Do crims in jail have "right of free movement" to leave that jail?

[The Everlasting]

You have to pay up before you can leave,if you don't owe much,shouldn't be hard....

[boostin]

lling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

5 Justified limitations
Subject to section 4 of this Bill of Rights, the rights and freedoms contained in this Bill of Rights may be subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

[oneofsix]

You have to pay up before you can leave,if you don't owe much,shouldn't be hard....

and if you do owe too much go on a benefit, even benefit fraudsters can get the benefit to help them pay back the benefits they fraudulently obtained (I'm getting dizzy) http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...s-back-on-dole

[oldrider]

Do crims in jail have "right of free movement" to leave that jail?

Why would they do that, they have every thing they need (and don't need) laid on for them, right where they are!

And we pay for it! They (crims) have more freedom than we do!

[CookMySock]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

[onearmedbandit]

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

Really? So you'll just bust on past customs, security, armed police, make your way on to the plane, and when the tower refuses to let the plane taxi onto the runway you'll what, kick the pilot out of his seat and take control. Yippe-kay-yah muthafucker. I suppose if you let them know you ride a scary v-twin they'll just back off.

[Oscar]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

What were you smoking when you wrote this?

I was thinking about asking you if you'd give me some, but no one needs to be that out of it....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Really? So you'll just bust on past customs, security, armed police, make your way on to the plane, and when the tower refuses to let the plane taxi onto the runway you'll what, kick the pilot out of his seat and take control. Yippe-kay-yah muthafucker. I suppose if you let them know you ride a scary v-twin they'll just back off.

What were you smoking when you wrote this?

I was thinking about asking you if you'd give me some, but no one needs to be that out of it....

Man...he's one bad ass MoFo!

[Str8 Jacket]

Man...he's one bad ass MoFo!

Yep, he is definately an Ass!!!

[jonbuoy]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country

Might stop you if you owe the government, don´t think ASB or ANZ can stop you from defaulting on a loan or credit card

[tigertim20]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country

having just ben through this myself . . .

If you have outstanding fines, you can travel freely, PROVIDED, you have an existing payment paying off the fines.

long as you have an arrangement, and are making payments, youre sweet. Just researched this myself as Im leaving the country for a trip soon.

As for the freedom of movement shit, well, there is the argument that 'why should you go jet setting around the world enjoying the frivolities of life if you cant pay your fucking bills'? - which is a fair argument IMHO

[Virago]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

You're an idiot.