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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    Can't have the poor tenants paying the evil landlords heaps huh? It wasn't THAT profitable as it was...

    The tenants are muuuuuch better off now...

    /sarcasm
    Yeah, I really couldn't get that.
    I noted 2 issues at the time the change was mooted.
    1) 35% of our housing stock is rental. Fucking with that (and getting it wrong) has dire consequences for a lot of people.
    2) The tax break was a neat and effective way of subsidising those those that can least afford housing. Removal of this was only going to result in one thing. Landlords seeking to recover cost from the tenant.

    Oh well, what would I know? Perhaps user pays is actually a better system?

    Ok, another prediction.
    It's (rental prices) going to get a fuck site worse loooonnnng before it gets any better.
    1) Banks have cracked down on lending, so buying is difficult. More people renting.
    2) Demand for rental as a result of earthquakes is increasing.
    3) Building product prices have increased already in response to Christchurch much of it 10-15%.
    4) Japan will take what it needs to rebuild. Think milk - if Japan pays (say) $10.00 a meter for 4x2 guess what we will be paying? That's right $10.00 a meter. 10-15% materials cost increases are just the beginning.
    5) As a result of this all of this FA new houses will be being built in Auckland - or anywhere other than Christchurch for a few years.

    Inflation
    Is going to take off.
    The money supply is about to expand. EQC, re-insurance, RWC and dairy exports are going to add to the money supply.
    Companies rebuilding Chch are going to be making money.
    Tradesmen are going to be employed and demand will drive wages up (in time).
    The cost of building in terms of both materials and labour is going to increase significantly.

    House affordability will suffer significantly even from where it is now - placing more demand on rental accommodation.

    What does this mean?
    Well 5yrs from now a $400,000.00 house will be worth $500,000.00 (this is NOT unprecedented in our history and it could well be more) AND for most of that 5yrs we will see a comparatively unusual situation where rent will cover the cost of a mortgage (then some).
    i.e. If one were to buy a $400k house now it will cost say $30k PA in interest assuming one were to borrow the lot (allowing for interest rate increases which will come as the RB try in vane to reign in inflation) and rents will be at or about $35k PA.

    If you can, buy now. If you can't, prey.


    Oh there's cheap Fazer on trademe now if anyone's interested. I need the funds to buy another property.

    PS. these are the idle musings of an old fool who doesn't know shit from clay so please seek the advice of your financial adviser so he/she can sell you shares instead. I hear shares in TEPCO are cheap right now - could be a good time to buy?
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    A mate and his wife were renting in Sandringham for $660 a week. The landlord told them rent was going up to $690 so they decided they'd look for somewhere else. He just spotted the place on trademe for $820 a week! He reckons it's to target people who want somewhere for RWC

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    Stranger, you're on the wrong site to be making so much sense, but yes, when I saw the initial news (and I don't own a property) I immediately thought, "Well, if I was a landlord and my costs went up, I'd put my prices up".

    It beggars belief TPTB could not see this.
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    we own a house in Christchurch (undamaged in top central location)
    which we rent out....
    we do not make money on the deal....
    Just sort of hanging on to our family home,
    en renting ourselves in different city
    Demand for rental property in Chritchurch is very high as well,
    we haven't even considered putting up the rent.
    makig money is one thing..
    living with yourself quite another.
    everybody has choices, and decisions to make......
    Shame to hear greed is taking over....
    good places must still be around,
    hope you find one.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    Stranger, you're on the wrong site to be making so much sense, but yes, when I saw the initial news (and I don't own a property) I immediately thought, "Well, if I was a landlord and my costs went up, I'd put my prices up".

    It beggars belief TPTB could not see this.
    Of course most of those rooting for the change were under some illusion that the landlord actually got a tax break for depreciation.
    It was only ever a loan. Sure landlord could claim depreciation, but it's clawed back on sale. So if Fred sold his rental he then owed the IRD for all depreciation claimed.
    The landlord gained affordability, but not profit at the expense of the taxpayer so in reality it didn't even amount to a subsidy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post

    Problem is that we have two dogs and the current market is such that anything half decent seems to be turning into a bidding war amongst non-dog-owning tenants.
    Hey man, I live with two dogs at the moment, it's horrible. I used to live with hot girls and it was sooooo much better. Walking around in underwear was the norm, now I have to look at the cottage cheese. Anyway North Shore is pretty good, especially for suburbs that have ferry terminals....

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    We're paying the mortgage on a property the olds bought when we couldn't find a place to rent (Who rents to a bunch of bikie students??? 2 months of searching and we didn't even get close)


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    Yeah, I really couldn't get that.
    I noted 2 issues at the time the change was mooted.
    1) 35% of our housing stock is rental. Fucking with that (and getting it wrong) has dire consequences for a lot of people.
    2) The tax break was a neat and effective way of subsidising those those that can least afford housing. Removal of this was only going to result in one thing. Landlords seeking to recover cost from the tenant.

    Oh well, what would I know? Perhaps user pays is actually a better system?

    Ok, another prediction.
    It's (rental prices) going to get a fuck site worse loooonnnng before it gets any better.
    1) Banks have cracked down on lending, so buying is difficult. More people renting.
    2) Demand for rental as a result of earthquakes is increasing.
    3) Building product prices have increased already in response to Christchurch much of it 10-15%.
    4) Japan will take what it needs to rebuild. Think milk - if Japan pays (say) $10.00 a meter for 4x2 guess what we will be paying? That's right $10.00 a meter. 10-15% materials cost increases are just the beginning.
    5) As a result of this all of this FA new houses will be being built in Auckland - or anywhere other than Christchurch for a few years.

    Inflation
    Is going to take off.
    The money supply is about to expand. EQC, re-insurance, RWC and dairy exports are going to add to the money supply.
    Companies rebuilding Chch are going to be making money.
    Tradesmen are going to be employed and demand will drive wages up (in time).
    The cost of building in terms of both materials and labour is going to increase significantly.

    House affordability will suffer significantly even from where it is now - placing more demand on rental accommodation.

    What does this mean?
    Well 5yrs from now a $400,000.00 house will be worth $500,000.00 (this is NOT unprecedented in our history and it could well be more) AND for most of that 5yrs we will see a comparatively unusual situation where rent will cover the cost of a mortgage (then some).
    i.e. If one were to buy a $400k house now it will cost say $30k PA in interest assuming one were to borrow the lot (allowing for interest rate increases which will come as the RB try in vane to reign in inflation) and rents will be at or about $35k PA.

    If you can, buy now. If you can't, prey.

    Couldn't agree more. Those with cash and cashflow have numerous opportunities on their hands. Those with access to cheap construction even more so. Those with neither, well good luck to them getting a house anytime soon. Comes back to productivity ultimately, increase our productivity, businesses make more money which ups incomes allowing income/house price ratio to be much more favourable to new home buyers.
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    $660 pw is $34320 pa. That would repay a $500000 mortage. So why would anyone rent at those prices?
    Time to ride

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    Because banks won't lend half a mil to just anyone. You also need more proof of job etc, to get half a mil, as opposed to renting on somewhat of a month by month basis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jane Omorogbe from UK MSN on the KTM990SM
    It's barking mad and if it doesn't turn you into a complete loon within half an hour of cocking a leg over the lofty 875mm seat height, I'll eat my Arai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    $660 pw is $34320 pa. That would repay a $500000 mortage. So why would anyone rent at those prices?
    You also need a 50k deposit, which is a bit of a hurdle at the best of times, also the banks don't like lending more than 1/3 of the gross income.
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    What does this mean, do we suppose?

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    Housing market is tanking except for main centres, especially auckland. Aucklands main problem is excess demand / low supply for immigration, returning ex-pats, and organic growth.

    Soultion: Export all the beneficiaries to Tokoroa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    What does this mean, do we suppose?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...e-figures-soar
    The house sale figures are usually delayed because houses are sold by contract but are not reported until after the sale date. Rentals are reported immediately.

    Every house around me that was on the market has been sold and the local real estate window is almost empty.
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