Oh? So making dak, acid, smack, snow all illegal is communism?Originally Posted by Dave Lobster
Anarchic Wild Child
Oh? So making dak, acid, smack, snow all illegal is communism?
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
SH1 rider
Fascism isn't it. Communism is removal of choice by forced sharing. Fascism is control freakism.
Anarchic Wild Child
You don't. You take out the very high risk ones - such as psychopaths.
Of course we should make prevention a higher priority.
Not remove their ability to offend. Deal with the reasons they behave the way they do ONLY if that doesn't work can we punish them or shoot them. Violent psychopaths are a whole different ball game tho'.
Not a senario I would advocate.
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Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
You have neglected "have recently served on a jury". I believe it's within three years.
I am happily serving out the rest of my three-year sabbatical...
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SH1 rider
+1 although I suspect we might disagree on the reasons they behave the way they do. We would probably agree it has something to do with inequality in society but some of that can come down to personal choice as well.
Anarchic Wild Child
No, I think we would agree. Social inequity is only one reason. Poor parenting (which is possibly be linked to social inequity) would be a biggie. Hereditary conditions favouring addiction (long-term family abuse of drugs and alcohol over several generations would show this) could be another reason; lack of education adn therefore poor cognative process, ....
I'm not denying personal choice ... but sometimes people do not recognise they have the ability to make a choice - or their thinking is so messy that they are incapable of making a choice ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
dodgy is as dodgy does
That's -pretty much bang on the money. Some years ago I had a client that was a social services agency working with prisoners, and I learned a lot in that time. I used to think it was simply people who were too lazy to get off their arses and get a job like me, or that they lacked the willpower to keep drink and drugs under control like I can and that they were just plain dishonest and/or violent - again a matter of choice. I used to think that because I could see something I wanted and walk away, save money and buy it; others could, so there was no excuse. I used to think that because I could have a few cold ones and call it quits before I started smacking people around there was no reason everyone shouldn't - hell, I'm nothing flash.
But when I looked at the clients of my client I was staggered. A huge percentage of them had varying forms of mental illness, mostly undiagnosed and almost entirely untreated. And that means they are unable to process information, make plans and act the way you and I can in the same way I can't walk more than a couple of hundred metres because I have severe osteo arthritis in one hip. Unlike them my hip will be replaced with a new titanium one someday soon, and I may even one day compete in triathlons again, albeit very slowly whereas they will continue to be unable to function in a complex and demanding society.
I also looked at how they were brought up compared to the way I was. My parents taught me early that if you wanted something you rolled up your sleeves, worked and got what you want, that the best way to have money was to save it and that other people's property belonged to them and you had no right to it. My father was decorated for bravery in WW2 (MM) and taught me that aggression towards people weaker than you is cowardice and towards people stronger than you is stupidity. I was taught that education was important and that having skills gave you an advantage.
When I compared that to the way my client's clients were parenting their children, and what I knew of how they were brought up, and it explained a lot. I remember when I was in my 20s living in a flat across the road from a woman with several kids. The Black Power were regularly at her house partying and it looked like something from Once Were Warriors. There was this little boy of about 4 who lived there called Puki, and every day when I got home he was sitting on our fence waiting. He'd put his arms out, nose streaming snot, for a cuddle. We'd take him in, make him a sandwich and a glass of Quik and he'd prattle away, then we'd send him home. He was a really sweet little kid and no different to any 4 year old, but where is he now? He'd be in his 30s now, and I'd lay money he's either inside or heading back sometime soon. He's almost certainly got an alcohol and drug problem probably violent and unlikely to have an education and a job.
Is that his fault? Sure, he is ultimately responsible for every decision he has ever made, but the choises that were almost impossible not to make for you, like working, buying houses etc, and I would have been so outside of anything he was familiar with that for him to have made them would be like you or I choosing to rob a bank or beat up our partner. So for him to stay crime free would have been incredibly hard, and that was because of where he had been raised and the life lessons he had been taught ever since he was a baby, not because he was innately bad. He wasn't bad as a 4 year old.
Long post and I doubt anyone reads it, but I guess what I'm saying is the answer is not easy and requires more thought than "lock em up and throw away the key". Tougher sentences is like scratching an itch - it feels good at the time, but the itch just gets worse.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
Couldn't have said that better. In my own personal experience the sentence on the surface seems like it's a 'decent' length...I was shocked today to learn that because it isn't longer and the offending isn't 'worse' the offender is only locked up for 2+ years AND there is absolutely NO 'therapy/rehab/whatever' while he is away.
How the fuck does this prepare him effectively to come out of jail and not repeat the things that put him there? Seriously he is sick (among other choicse words I could use)and needs some kind of support to at least TRY to prevent recidivism when he gets out again...sure if he gets done again he'll get longer and get that 'attention' then BUT I don't believe that's good enough. PISSES ME OFF...this is why a bullet seems the most humane and preventative answer...
Hardcore Biker
MMMMM, have you ever watched ClockWork Orange?
anyway, the spca get upset when you shoot dogs.
Loud and Uncouth
Yeah, it gave his criminal learning curve a right boost, better than if he'd just stuck to the loser mates he already had...he wouldn't have got into any more trouble eh...
I bet he'd already sucked a shit-load of tax-payers money with various agencies trying to get him to go straight before he got involved in the killing.
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Forum whore
you can guarantee that, his mother should have been shot before he was born
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